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Your 800 puts out 800w @ 4 ohms, and 400w @ 8 ohms I believe. The 112 is rated at 450w, so 400w is about perfect imo. How many watts do you need for a single 112? Be realistic, you're not slaying any dragons with a 112. The only thing you can do with 800w instead of 400w into your 112 is blow it up. Of course adding another 8 ohm cab is going to get you a rig, since the cabs are getting 400w each.
My Eden amp puts out 250w @ 4 ohms per side, so using my two 8 ohm 112s they get 175w each. Effectively a 350w 212. You're putting more watts into your 112 than I'm putting into my 212. I just did a blues rock gig with them in a spacious medium sized room, not though the PA, and got a lovely big sound with my master at about 10 o'clock. Bumped it up to 11 o'clock at one point, and turned it back down one song later because it was too much... The fan in my amp didn't even need to switch on in three sets. I think the DNA 112s are very efficient. I even prefer 175w into one 112 for practicing at home instead of bridging my amp and giving it 500w @ 8 ohms since I get more control over the volume - with 500w the tiniest tweek upwards is too much.
I am in 3 very loud bands. Hammond Organs pushing 40 Tube watts. Guitars through 50w Tube heads. Drummers with heavy feet. I have to not only hear myself, but be heard. Monitor systems (in general) are not good at best. My 1350/410 is a monster. I needed the same in a smaller system. Since you only quoted the very last part of my statement, it is true. I really like the push, tone and power of the 800 at 4Ohms. It is my opinion and fills my need better. Fortunately, I have the ability to do that.
Hey All,
I am new to the Forum and would like some advice! I just came across DNA gear online and I am very impressed by their specs. I would like to hear if anyone is using two DNS 210 cabs. I've heard great things about the 410, so I just need assurance that two 210's will be equally as good.
Also I heard that stacking 210 cabs vertically so you have a single row of 10" drivers is better. Can't remember the technical term used. Dispersion?
Thanks!
I am new to the Forum and would like some advice! I just came across DNA gear online and I am very impressed by their specs. I would like to hear if anyone is using two DNS 210 cabs. I've heard great things about the 410, so I just need assurance that two 210's will be equally as good.
Also I heard that stacking 210 cabs vertically so you have a single row of 10" drivers is better. Can't remember the technical term used. Dispersion?
Thanks!
I have a single 210 and it gets very loud. I'm sure with two it would be incredible! And yes, vertical stacking would be the way to go.
I have a pair of 2x10 @ 8ohm cabs, and I never use them both. A single 2x10 does most everything I need for the size venues I play...and if I have even decent FoH, I'm good to go.
Honestly, If I had to do it over again, I would have bought a 4x10 @4ohm instead of the second 2x10. IMO, 2 cabs is kind of a hassle, and from what I've read/heard, a 4x10 can get stupid loud while also sounding good at lower volumes. Plus, it's only 1 trip in/out at ~80lbs instead of 2 trips at ~52lbs, if the need ever arises for more ooomph!! Granted, all of this experience is with a GK MB500 Fusion head. The results will vary considerably depending on how you choose to power them!
On the flip side, if you're on the road and blow a speaker in one of the boxes, the completely separate 2nd cab comes in handy!
Honestly, If I had to do it over again, I would have bought a 4x10 @4ohm instead of the second 2x10. IMO, 2 cabs is kind of a hassle, and from what I've read/heard, a 4x10 can get stupid loud while also sounding good at lower volumes. Plus, it's only 1 trip in/out at ~80lbs instead of 2 trips at ~52lbs, if the need ever arises for more ooomph!! Granted, all of this experience is with a GK MB500 Fusion head. The results will vary considerably depending on how you choose to power them!
On the flip side, if you're on the road and blow a speaker in one of the boxes, the completely separate 2nd cab comes in handy!
Yes, I can confirm that the DNS410 gets stupid loud and yet still sounds great at lower volumes.
I used to haul around an acoustic B410 + GK115blx stack that actually sounded good together when powered in dual-mono by my Eden WT500/800. I turned the balance knob a little bit towards the 410 to tame the boominess of that 115. My DNS410 is much louder than that stack with a significantly lower power setting on my master volume. I run it with my WT500/800 bridged at 800 watts into 8 ohms. I specifically got the 8 ohm cab because my hot-rodded WT500 has the same power section as the old WT800A did and can only bridge at 8 ohms. It's much easier to schlep in one cab instead of two; the sound is much clearer at all volumes; and YES it is STUPID LOUD!!!
I'm not using anywhere near the 800-watts my amp will put out. If I run the master above 9:30 it'll clear the room. Your volume with the GK MB500 Fusion should be PLENTY loud. These are amazing cabs!
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Anyone use the Mesa Subway D800 or D800+ with your DNAs? What about the Mesa Prodigy tube head?! ...specifically with a 2x10? My GK MB500 Fusion is starting to act up, so I’m about to take the plunge on replacing it in the next few days.
I was hoping the GK would last thru the end of the year, but it doesn’t seem like it’s meant to be.
I was hoping the GK would last thru the end of the year, but it doesn’t seem like it’s meant to be.
Curious about this setup also. Looking at a “small “ rig of a mesa 800+ and either dna 10’s or 12’s.
Take a close look at the DNA-800. Pretty sweet amp that is both very light and powerful for a street price of $750.
Alright...I'm about to take the plunge and grab a new DNA 4x10, but I have a couple questions before I give the go ahead for the local dealer to order one.
1. Does David offer Neo and Ceramic drivers on his 4x10s? I know my pair of 2x10's are ceramic, but have heard he's offering Neo's on some.
2. What's everyone's preference between Neo's and Ceramic drivers? It's been a long time since I've used Neo speakers, but I remember Neos from other brands sounded thin to my ears. ...but that's been 7-8 years ago, and I know the technology has improved immensely! I'm not afraid to haul around a cab that's 25-30lbs heavier, if the tone is there!!
3. 4ohm or 8ohm? I have a pair of 8ohm 2x10's. They're both loud, but find a single is just shy of being loud enough (for the two bands I play in regularly) and I really don't like hauling the pair of 2x10s as much as I thought I would...it's a hassle!! Therefore, one will be relegated to the rehearsal space and the other will be a backup or used in more subdued settings. I was thinking 4ohm since I'll want to max out the watts on any amp I decide to pair with it. ...probably start with a GK 700RB and/or and Ampeg SVT-3 until I can afford something different. Both of those amps max around 450-480W @40hm respectively. Most of the other amps I'd be interested in purchasing later are 700-800W @4ohm...which is a decision for a year or so from now, but want to have the right cab in place for when the time comes.
With my pair of 2x10's and the inevitable 4x10, this is the last cab I'll buy for the foreseeable future, so I want to make sure it's the 'right' one!
Any thoughts/suggestions/insight is greatly appreciated!
1. Does David offer Neo and Ceramic drivers on his 4x10s? I know my pair of 2x10's are ceramic, but have heard he's offering Neo's on some.
2. What's everyone's preference between Neo's and Ceramic drivers? It's been a long time since I've used Neo speakers, but I remember Neos from other brands sounded thin to my ears. ...but that's been 7-8 years ago, and I know the technology has improved immensely! I'm not afraid to haul around a cab that's 25-30lbs heavier, if the tone is there!!
3. 4ohm or 8ohm? I have a pair of 8ohm 2x10's. They're both loud, but find a single is just shy of being loud enough (for the two bands I play in regularly) and I really don't like hauling the pair of 2x10s as much as I thought I would...it's a hassle!! Therefore, one will be relegated to the rehearsal space and the other will be a backup or used in more subdued settings. I was thinking 4ohm since I'll want to max out the watts on any amp I decide to pair with it. ...probably start with a GK 700RB and/or and Ampeg SVT-3 until I can afford something different. Both of those amps max around 450-480W @40hm respectively. Most of the other amps I'd be interested in purchasing later are 700-800W @4ohm...which is a decision for a year or so from now, but want to have the right cab in place for when the time comes.
With my pair of 2x10's and the inevitable 4x10, this is the last cab I'll buy for the foreseeable future, so I want to make sure it's the 'right' one!
Any thoughts/suggestions/insight is greatly appreciated!
My 410 is ceramic and 4ohm. I definitely prefer ceramic. Used the Neo's for a while. Hated them. Very thin sounding. I used Faital's. Just never gave me the killer pounding my ceramic speakers do. But that is just my opinion.
I have the neo 410 with rhino covering. It’s loud!! The ceramics have more lows, but I’m still impressed by the 410 neo cabs. My cab is 8 ohm, but prefer a 4 ohm to have the option to max any amp I use with it. But, I got too much of a good deal on the 8 ohm I purchased it. The weight is probably in low 70’s or high 60’s pound. I still prefer something lighter. I use it when I’m playing outdoors and it’s hella loud.
Perfect! 'Thin' is exactly how I remember neo drivers. I have really enjoyed the ceramics in my 2x10s. I hate to go too heavy with a cab, but at the moment, tone is the most important thing for me at this moment! ...besides, I have a decent carpeted furniture dolly (with industrial wheels) for those times I don't feel like working all that hard during load in/out!
I have a DNS410 with the rat fur covering that I bought in April 2015.
1. I don't know...
2. Mine has the ceramic drivers and they are killer. I haven't heard one with Neo's in it, so I can't give you a valid comparison, but the ceramic magnet drivers are absolutely amazing.
3. I got the 8 ohm cab because I planned to drive it with my Eden WT500/800 and 8 ohms is the minimum to bridge. My WT500 was hot-rodded by David when he had it, so it puts out 400-watts per channel @ 4 ohms and 800-watts when bridged at 8 ohms. So I feed it the 800-watts bridged. If your amp puts out the most power into 4 ohms, then get the 4 ohm cab and call it done. There is NO REASON TO USE AN ADDITIONAL CAB with this. It is louder and clearer than any 810 I've seen and power handling is 1400-watts rms. Just an amazing cab. Use your 210 for smaller gigs and just use this one 410 for anything indoors or outdoors. It is a crazy loud cab.
I played an audition last week for an 8-piece group including horns (that was fun!). After the audition was done, one of the guitarist came over to check out my gear. Said I had "great tone". I had to turn it down a bit from normal because we were all packed into one long practice room and I do mean packed!
Arlo! What's up man? It's Brad Clark, I bought one of your 1x12's a few years back and we've run into each other several times in town!
I agree that the weight of the ceramics is a bit of a turn off, but I am 99.9% sure I prefer the 'heft' and low end that ceramic drivers bring. I imagine the weight will be in the mid-80's for the ceramic 4x10, which is alright considering I already lug around a 55lb 2x10 and have a sweet little furniture dolly to help negotiate the weight! Hope to pull the trigger soon and have Brian get one on order in the next week or so!
How do you like the rhino covering compared to the carpet?
Brian has one in stock now. I like the rhino for weight and weather. The carpet is gonna absorb more so dampens the lows. The rhino doesn’t absorb like carpet.
