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DSMnoisemaker & Humboldt Electronics Simplifier Bass Station

Decided to take the plunge in my quest to find a compact di with cabsim. Still figuring things out but the ability to run a parallel signal clean with 100hz LPF and blended back in seems very underrated. You can give an entire signal path a clean blend that’s low passed at 100hz, 500hz, or wide open.

Don’t love the preamp coloring so far but holding off final judgement until I play it live.
Works great live. Emulates a bi amp signal and I did use a compressor in the parallel loop to help boost the filtered lows with some extra gain. only trouble I had is some perceived phase issues running a chorus in the preamp loop.

I like the sound of the preamp. The aggressiveness is less obvious (more useful) in a full mix.
 
Works great live. Emulates a bi amp signal and I did use a compressor in the parallel loop to help boost the filtered lows with some extra gain. only trouble I had is some perceived phase issues running a chorus in the preamp loop.

I like the sound of the preamp. The aggressiveness is less obvious (more useful) in a full mix.

do you notice an low end loss on the preamp side?
 
Just wanted to give an update. The preamp coloring is much less pronounced in FOH than it was in headphones. Secondly, the baked in SVT tone has a really nice subtle drive that is very touch responsive which I was not expecting. With the gain at noon it only comes out when digging in or using a pick which is how I like it. I have a compressor with make up gain right after the preamp fx out to deal with the low fx signal “issue”.
 
I just got a simplifier and I’m really liking it so far. We’ll see after the honeymoon stage and how it works live.
Once upon a time I had a BJFE Blueberry which I foolishly sold. Running my ROG Ginger into the Simplifier is getting me closer than anything else to the tone and feel of the Blueberry with an added bonus of as much high end as I could want.
 
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Anyone knows what the output of the device is on the XLRs & the out/thru 1/4th Out?

This is a great device - just got it a few days back & have been having a great time with it. It is hooked to my RME babyface Pro FS via XLR (left DI out). This thing makes incredible sounds. Even though this packs a lot of sounds, it is easy to dial in what you like & there are quite a few settings to like :) What a beauty.
 
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In terms of what?

So when I have it connected via 1/4th output of the DSM to the 1/4 (instrument) input of the BabyFace pro fs, the volume is pretty good without having to engage any gain or boost. volume at 50% on DSM & no boost/gain on Babyface.

On the same settings on DSM, connecting Left DI out to the xlr input of the babyface the volume is drastically low, I have to engage the volume to 75% on DSm & almost 25% (15db) gain on BabyFace.

*****so I was wondering if the DI output on the DSM has much lower DB output than the 1/4th output?

****pardon my ignorance, I am a beginner & this is my first pedal pretty much, so not well versed with technical terms.
 
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So when I have it connected via 1/4th output of the DSM to the 1/4 (instrument) input of the BabyFace pro fs, the volume is pretty good without having to engage any gain or boost. volume at 50% on DSM & no boost/gain on Babyface.

On the same settings on DSM, connecting Left DI out to the xlr input of the babyface the volume is drastically low, I have to engage the volume to 75% on DSm & almost 25% (15db) gain on BabyFace.

*****so I was wondering if the DI output on the DSM has much lower DB output than the 1/4th output?

****pardon my ignorance, I am a beginner & this is my first pedal pretty much, so not well versed with technical terms.

I suspected that was what you meant. Yes, the XLR outputs are pretty low level, on both my Simplifier and Simplifier Bass Station. They are definitely not line level, but I think they are louder than mic level. It's not really an issue, much, since they would be plugged into mic preamps when being used live or for recording, anyway.

When I use my Simplifier directly into my powered studio monitors, I have to increase the gain quite a bit to match levels with the outputs of my DAW, so to prevent me from changing my monitors, I just run the Simplifiers into my mic preamps, and directly out to my studio monitor controller (PreSonus Central Station).
 
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Thanks Amper.

I was wondering if there are some numbers to work with so I know what I am plugging in :) Makes things simpler for me instead of trying to figure it all out by ears. Also helps me keep the volume similar on various devices.
 
Created a thread, however I thought I may have more luck getting an answer -
I just placed an order for a HOTONE Ampero II Stomp to be used as a "multi-effects only" pedal with the DSM Simplifier Bass Station.
It was on discount & I have the option to cancel the order within the next 48 hours.

My questions are - what is the best way to hook up the ampero to the DSM -

1 - If I want to use the ampero as a multi effects unit only.
2 - If I want to use the ampero as an all in one - but want to keep the DSM as the DI box?

***Will this work -
For ampero as effects only
Guitar -> Hotone Input Jack -> Hotone FX Send -> DSM Guitar Input Jack -> DSM Preamp FX send -> Hotone Ampero FX Return -> Ampero Mono out -> DSM Preamp FX return -> DSM DI out to Babyface Pro?
***In this mode I do not want to use the amp/cab sim.

For Ampero as all in one
Same as above but instead of using DSM's preamp FX loop, I use the Parallel FX loop, & keep the CabSim blend at dry & the preamp blend to Parallel?

Or am I making this too complicated & it should be simply - Guitar to Ampero to DSM guitar input?

***I also have been reading and apparently all modulation effects should be after the preamp, is this going to make a difference to a beginner?
 
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Created a thread, however I thought I may have more luck getting an answer -
I just placed an order for a HOTONE Ampero II Stomp to be used as a "multi-effects only" pedal with the DSM Simplifier Bass Station.
It was on discount & I have the option to cancel the order within the next 48 hours.

My questions are - what is the best way to hook up the ampero to the DSM -

1 - If I want to use the ampero as a multi effects unit only.
2 - If I want to use the ampero as an all in one - but want to keep the DSM as the DI box?

***Will this work -
For ampero as effects only
Guitar -> Hotone Input Jack -> Hotone FX Send -> DSM Guitar Input Jack -> DSM Preamp FX send -> Hotone Ampero FX Return -> Ampero Mono out -> DSM Preamp FX return -> DSM DI out to Babyface Pro?
***In this mode I do not want to use the amp/cab sim.

For Ampero as all in one
Same as above but instead of using DSM's preamp FX loop, I use the Parallel FX loop, & keep the CabSim blend at dry & the preamp blend to Parallel?

Or am I making this too complicated & it should be simply - Guitar to Ampero to DSM guitar input?

***I also have been reading and apparently all modulation effects should be after the preamp, is this going to make a difference to a beginner?

I put my effects first, into the DSM, then out to wherever. Same as I do into a normal amp.

If you don’t want to hear the cab sim, remove it from the mix.

Using the effects loop only makes sense if you want the DSM’s sound to run into your effects.

I’ve never had any use for effects loops, and for some projects I use a ton of effects.
 
I put my effects first, into the DSM, then out to wherever. Same as I do into a normal amp.

Thank you so much @StayLow - this is the kind of simple explanation I was looking for.

I have been reading up too much & it seems there are multiple opinions on which effects should go before or after the preamp. I am sure though as a beginner, it won't make any difference to my life, but wanted to start right, instead of realising much later I have been doing it all wrong.

This makes things much simpler, with -
Guitar -> ampero II stomp -> Ampero 1/4th out -> DSM IN & DSM settings remain as I am currently using.

If I need to use the cab/amp sim on Ampero, I just put the
- DSM Preamp blend to Parallel
- Cab Sim Blend to DRY

***Have I understood it right?

Thank you!
 
I can say that when I use my Boss GT-1000Core with either of my Simplifiers (both the guitar ans bass versions), I use them like this. I am not familiar with the Hotone Ampero II Stomp, but I looked at it briefly, and I imagine you could do something similar with it. Any multieffects processor that has an FX loops should be similar, like the tc electronic Plethora X5.

First, I plug my instrument into a tuner. From the tuner out, I go to the input of a One Control BJFe 1Loop. The Send goes to the input of the Core, then the FX loop 1 send from the Core goes to the Return on the 1Loop. The Output of the 1Loop goes to my analogue drive pedals, then into the preamp of the Simplifier. The Preamp FX loop send of the Simplifier goes to the FX loop 1 return on the Core, then the output of the Core goes to the Preamp FX loop return of the Simplifier. I do not use the Parallel FX loop on the Simplifier Bass Station, at all.

What this allows me to do is use some of the effects in the Core before my analogue drive pedals, if I want. I do this because I play instruments with piezo pickups, and I want to use the compressor and acoustic resonance enhancer effects. With the 1Loop switched on, my signal hits the Core first for those effects, then goes to my drive pedals. If I am not using the compressor and enhancer, then I switch the 1Loop off, and my signal goes directly to my drive pedals.

From there my signal goes to the Simplifier's preamp, then back to the Core for other effects, then to the Simplifier's power amp and cab section, and out to stage rig and/or PA or recording console.

Here's an illustration using the guitar Simplifier, but the bass one works the same way, just with different pedals, and in mono, rather than stereo. In this case, I have the Simplifier's FX loop output going to the FreqOuts first, then the Core, but I later discovered that the FreqOuts work better before the Simplifier's preamp, so I have changed that bit.

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Thank you so much @StayLow - this is the kind of simple explanation I was looking for.

I have been reading up too much & it seems there are multiple opinions on which effects should go before or after the preamp. I am sure though as a beginner, it won't make any difference to my life, but wanted to start right, instead of realising much later I have been doing it all wrong.

This makes things much simpler, with -
Guitar -> ampero II stomp -> Ampero 1/4th out -> DSM IN & DSM settings remain as I am currently using.

If I need to use the cab/amp sim on Ampero, I just put the
- DSM Preamp blend to Parallel
- Cab Sim Blend to DRY

***Have I understood it right?

Thank you!

Glad to help.

Given you’re a beginner, focus on learning / lessons relating to music. Effects loops, much less for esoteric bits of gear, are something probably over 95% of working pro bassists couldn’t tell you anything about. Actually about 95% of what’s discussed on this site are things most pros haven’t the need, time or money for.

Sounds like you’ve got a world of sounds all within a couple of small boxes. Once they’re hooked up, forget about it: just play and have fun!
 
Glad to help.

Given you’re a beginner, focus on learning / lessons relating to music. Effects loops, much less for esoteric bits of gear, are something probably over 95% of working pro bassists couldn’t tell you anything about. Actually about 95% of what’s discussed on this site are things most pros haven’t the need, time or money for.

Sounds like you’ve got a world of sounds all within a couple of small boxes. Once they’re hooked up, forget about it: just play and have fun!

+1000
 
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Actually about 95% of what’s discussed on this site are things most pros haven’t the need, time or money for.

This is obviously not true. I have never once in my life met a professional musician who did not think deeply and carefully about every aspect of their signal chain, or refuse to invest the time or money in whatever it takes to have the right tools for the trade and the expertise to use them effectively.

In fact, if anything, real pros spend a whole lot more time and money on these things that most of the retired amateurs, who obviously make up the bulk of posters on this site, will ever.
 
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Literally the night before the GT-1000Core was announced, I had drawn up this plan for the next version of my bass pedalboard:

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and then the next day, Boss announced the GT-1000Core, and I took one look at it, and changed course:

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As you can see, it uses the same concepts I illustrated about with the guitar version of the Simplifier, just with different pedals and in mono instead of stereo. The idea was to have my choice of either 100% analogue front end and amp/cab sim, or 100% digital, if I wanted, and to fit everything onto a board small enough to fit in an airline underseat "personal item" (max bag size 18" x 14" x 8"), so that it could be a "fly rig" capable of going direct to PA or recording console and still give me the option to use a stage amp rig, while also serving as a hotel room practice/songwriting rig.

I've changed up the specific units over the past couple of years (I've got rid of the Three2One idea, for one thing, and the analogue compressor, for another), but the basic concept is still the same, and will work with most any multifx unit you like that has its own effects loop, on any size board large enough to fit the units you wish to fit.
 
This is obviously not true. I have never once in my life met a professional musician who did not think deeply and carefully about every aspect of their signal chain, or refuse to invest the time or money in whatever it takes to have the right tools for the trade and the expertise to use them effectively.

In fact, if anything, real pros spend a whole lot more time and money on these things that most of the retired amateurs, who obviously make up the bulk of posters on this site, will ever.

I couldn't possibly disagree more, but we all have our own experiences.
 
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I couldn't possibly disagree more, but we all have our own experiences.

You are of course free to "disagree", but it doesn't take a long time to look around at actual professional musicians to see what they do and do not worry about. I've been performing publicly for 50 years, since I was a child, and I've been in pro audio for over 35 years. I come from a whole family of musicians. I'm confident that I have sufficient experience of the world of professional music to make statements about what professionals do and do not care about in terms of music gear.
 
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