E#. Wait, what?

[stringtapper]

your circle of fifth looks more like a circle of fourth

Well, descending 5ths invert to ascending 4ths. Same functional progression, different direction of bass motion.

 

[Clef_de_fa]

Well the circle is fifths in one direction and fourths in the other direction, right?

yeah but the way you wrote it, it was ascending fourth

 

[stringtapper]

yeah but the way you wrote it, it was ascending fourth

No it wasn't. In fact it didn't show direction at all. C to F can be interpreted as either a descending 5th or an ascending 4th unless there's some indication of direction, which there wasn't.

 

[stringtapper]

Ten, can we please have TEN pages on E# = F?

Thank You!

We could end it here now if you could acknowledge that they aren't the same.

Do you need another explanation?

 

[Killed_by_Death]

It's an enharmonic, same note, same pitch.

 

[stringtapper]

It's an enharmonic, same note, same pitch.

Same pitch, yes (in 12-TET).

Not the same note.

Got it?

 

[mellowinman]

We could end it here now if you could acknowledge that they aren't the same.

Do you need another explanation?

Even if he did, I wouldn't.

You just can't win sometimes.

 

[mellowinman]

Same pitch, yes (in 12-TET).

Not the same note.

Got it?

Why are you like this?

In music, the term note has two primary meanings:

1. A sign used in musical notation to represent the relative duration and pitch of a sound (♪, ♫);
2. A pitched sound itself.

 

[stringtapper]

Even if he did, I wouldn't.

You just can't win sometimes.

You can't when the facts aren't on your side.

Pick your battles or get the facts. It's all out there to find and it ain't rocket surgery.

 

[mellowinman]

You can't when the facts aren't on your side.

Pick your battles or get the facts. It's all out there to find and it ain't rocket surgery.

Care to tell me the interval between E# and F?

They ARE two different notes, correct? Just the facts. Interval please.

 

[stringtapper]

Why are you like this?

In music, the term note has two primary meanings:

1. A sign used in musical notation to represent the relative duration and pitch of a sound (♪, ♫);
2. A pitched sound itself.

Those are the definitions that exist in the study of music.

A note is a musical event, it has duration and function attached to it.

A pitch is just a sound with a particular fundamental frequency.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

It's all out there to find and it ain't rocket surgery.

I see what you did there, merging brain surgery & rocket science.

 

[stringtapper]

Care to tell me the interval between E# and F?

They ARE two different notes, correct? Just the facts. Interval please.

Care to tell me the interval between E# and F?

They ARE two different notes, correct? Just the facts. Interval please.

It's a diminished 2nd (d2).

Anything else?

 

[mellowinman]

Those are the definitions that exist in the study of music.

A note is a musical event, it has duration and function attached to it.

A pitch is just a sound with a particular fundamental frequency.

And when you notate a quarter note E# and a quarter note F, the player will play the exact same note.

You are arguing semantics. They both have the same pitch. They both make the same sound. The both have the same duration. They are the same note.

 

[mellowinman]

It's a diminished 2nd (d2).

Anything else?

Sing it.

 

[stringtapper]

And when you notate a quarter note E# and a quarter note F, the player will play the exact same note.

You are arguing semantics. They both have the same pitch. They both make the same sound. The both have the same duration. They are the same note.

Nope. Still not the same note. You're leaving out the function of the note in the context of a key or progression.

You can't get around it. An E# will function differently than an F. It's just the way music works.

It ain't perfect, but the system of keys and note names has a logic to it that can be learned.

 

[stringtapper]

Sing it.

Again. Same pitch.

Not the same note.

 

[mellowinman]

Nope. Still not the same note. You're leaving out the function of the note in the context of a key or progression.

You can't get around it. An E# will function differently than an F. It's just the way music works.

It ain't perfect, but the system of keys and note names has a logic to it that can be learned.

Function differently how?

 

[stringtapper]

Function differently how?

I already answered this earlier and directly to one of your posts.

 

[mellowinman]

Again. Same pitch.

Not the same note.

This is going in circles. I do not concede the point.

Do you want to do a few more pages of "yes it is, "no it isn't?"