Ebola Comes To USA

[skychief]

LONDON (AP) — West Africa could face up to 10,000 new Ebola cases a week within two months, the World Health Organization warned Tuesday, adding that the death rate in the current outbreak has risen to 70 percent.

I think that estimate is WAY high, but I dont have the data that the W.H.O. has.
But the mortality rate (70%) is alarming. Apparently, the mortality rate is increasing. Not good.

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[nutdog]

alrighty, then!

great post , nutjob.

Errmmm , i mean nutdog.

Mods: I think we're done here.

please lay this to rest.

Lighten up, Francis, that was funny stuff.

 

[One Drop]

You must be confused. Nobody here questions where you stand politically.

Anyone who could possibly make such an asinine remark as that, is well, I can't even say the word on this forum.

The Washington Post (the source of my Ebola news) is one of the most left-leaning rags on the planet!

dude you crack me up!

If you actually read what I write instead of jumping down my throat at every post I make, you would have realized that I meant 'not here' as in not in this thread. I was not talking about anyone here and certainly not about my political beliefs.

 

[One Drop]

I think it's fair to say CNN, which is hardly a right leaning source, has done more to ramp up the paranoia then any other network. They literally play ominous music during the lead in to the CDC head press conferences. Fox hasn't faired any better, really.

I think most people are smart enough to know which network leans which way politically, without the implication that we're fools for not knowing any better and we're all being duped. The CDC just upgraded their estimate of the number of people likely to be infected in Africa in the coming weeks to an additional 10,000 on top of the original estimate.

Meanwhile, MSNBC just ran a cute piece on how the infected nurses dog has been given it's own ranch style home to frolic in, just in case anyone was concerned that fido might continue licking faces and crapping in the grass while potentially being infected as well. 70 staff members are only now being monitored after the nurse was confirmed to test positive. The level of incompetence is staggering.

To be clear, I was not accusing the right leaning media of being worse or more sensationalistic. I was pointing out the irony of the right wing media using this as a stick to beat the current US government from not doing enough.

This is not a right/left issue and I never claimed it was.

And personally, I despise CNN for it's tawdry sensationalism, poor journalism, and naked biases.

I have no more respect for MSNBC, or FOX, whatever their politics. They are part of exact problem I am arguing against, the 24 hr a day fear factory that sells their 'product'.

 

[tastybasslines]

Zuckerberg donating 25 million to the cause.

 

[Mosfed]

alrighty, then!

great post , nutjob.

Errmmm , i mean nutdog.

Mods: I think we're done here.

please lay this to rest.

Ever notice how quickly you can get aggressive on people here? He was posting a joke link to the Onion. I don't think it was serious.

 

[skychief]

To be clear, I was not accusing the right leaning media of being worse or more sensationalistic. I was pointing out the irony of the right wing media using this as a stick to beat the current US government from not doing enough.

This is not a right/left issue and I never claimed it was.

And personally, I despise CNN for it's tawdry sensationalism, poor journalism, and naked biases.

I have no more respect for MSNBC, or FOX, whatever their politics. They are part of exact problem I am arguing against, the 24 hr a day fear factory that sells their 'product'.

You have a clear misunderstanding for the use of the term, right leaning media.

It should not be used at all, much the same as you should not use the term married bachelor.

right leaning media is, per se, contradictory, as the (news) media is overwhelmingly extremely left biased (excluding FOX).

 

[skychief]

Ever notice how quickly you can get aggressive on people here? He was posting a joke link to the Onion. I don't think it was serious.

Thanks for the heads-up Mosfed. I think we got that sorted out.

 

[Mosfed]

You have a clear misunderstanding for the use of the term, right leaning media.

It should not be used at all, much the same as you should not use the term married bachelor.

right leaning media is, per se, contradictory, as the (news) media is overwhelmingly extremely left biased (excluding FOX).

If we are talking newspapers, I would agree. If we are talking television news, I very much disagree.

And I am sure we can agree which one has more reach.

 

[Mosfed]

Thanks for the heads-up Mosfed. I think we got that sorted out.

Still doesn't explain how quickly you get nasty. Maybe try breathing before you flash type a post response.

And for the record - anyone who thinks that the current situation isn't degrading really really quickly has their head under a rock and just doesn't want to face the facts. I am the last to claim the sky is falling, but this is getting really worrisome. And I have to agree with Skychief on the CDC.

 

[One Drop]

You have a clear misunderstanding for the use of the term, right leaning media.

It should not be used at all, much the same as you should not use the term married bachelor.

right leaning media is, per se, contradictory, as the (news) media is overwhelmingly extremely left biased (excluding FOX).

Depends where you put the centre.

Do you have any idea who Rupert Murdoch is and what his politics are, and what he owns?

Do you ever look compare today's left and right to that of 10, 20, 30 years ago? 50 years?

In much of the world all parties are close to each other, in the centre of what is accepted or common in that country.

The US was similar until quite recently, when the GOP veered so heavily towards appealing to the religious right and then the Tea Party, for example. But in general the left in American politics has shifted much closer to the right and the right much farther in that direction.

For the most part modern mass media protects it's own interests, which means laissez faire economic policy, light regulation, denial of or lip service given to climate change, etc.

If you really think the 'right leaning media' is a contradiction in terms and that most media is overwhelmingly extremely left leaning then we have no common ground to discuss the issue.

 

[skychief]

I am the last to claim the sky is falling, but this is getting really worrisome. And I have to agree with Skychief on the CDC.

You are in good company it seems. All of the talking-head medical experts are saying the CDC is deliberately withholding pertinent information from the public, and that the protocols the CDC has been using are flawed! I think today a CDC spokesperson even admitted it! Im not sure about that.... Ill research it.

EDIT: Well, they sorta admitted it.


"Ebola care instructions at a Dallas hospital and across the country were changed by federal officials on Monday — a tacit admission that training and procedures used for America’s first case of the disease had come up short."

"The transmission of the deadly virus to the nurse “doesn’t change the fact that it’s possible to take care of Ebola safely. But it does change substantially how we approach it,” said Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “We have to rethink the way we address Ebola infection control, because even a single infection is unacceptable.”"

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[Downunderwonder]

Ebola doesn't watch TV.

 

[Mosfed]

You are in good company it seems. All of the talking-head medical experts are saying the CDC is deliberately withholding pertenent information from the public, and that the protocols the CDC has been using are flawed! I think today a CDC spokesperson even admitted it! Im not sure about that.... Ill research it.

And you will remember that in the first few pages of this thread I was on the side of people saying you were fear mongering. I have had to, unfortunately for sure, come to the conclusion that this is much more worrisome than I originally thought. And the bummer is that I really need to go to West Africa on business soon - thankfully Ghana which doesn't seem too smitten from what we are being told.

 

[skychief]

Depends where you put the centre.

Do you have any idea who Rupert Murdoch is and what his politics are, and what he owns?

In much of the world all parties are close to each other, in the centre of what is accepted or common in that country.

But for the most part modern mass media protects it's own interests, which means laissez faire economic policy, light regulation, denial to lip device regarding climate change, etc.

AFAIK, Rupert Murdoch is a business magnate who owns FOX,.

Its funny but where I live, (USA) the ideological divide between the 2 parties has never been greater since the CIVIL WAR. (1863).

Im proud to report I belong to neither party, but concede that once was a member of each! true story.

 

[One Drop]

AFAIK, Rupert Murdoch is a business magnate who owns FOX,.

Its funny but where I live, (USA) the ideological divide between the 2 parties has never been greater since the CIVIL WAR. (1863).

Im proud to report I belong to neither party, but concede that once was a member of each! true story.

The so-called ideological divide, yes. In practice? The Dems could easily pass as the Republican party of two generations ago, and both are actually pretty far right compared to the rest of modern Western democracies.

Rupert Murdoch doesn't just own FOX, he owns almost everything.

That's the stuff you should be worrying about. You don't need conspiracies when you have vested interests and such concentrated ownership of media, and corporations for that matter.

 

[skychief]

And the bummer is that I really need to go to West Africa on business soon - thankfully Ghana which doesn't seem too smitten from what we are being told.

The outlook doesn't look good for Ghana. Or the U.S., for that matter! Better wash your hands often and stay in the sunlight when around others (if possible). Maybe you could tele-commute? JK. Actually, the following graph is simply projections of comparisons between NO Air Traffic Reduction vs imposed ATR. Its not a prediction of the likelihood that you will catch Ebola. You should be fine.

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[One Drop]

It's not probable, it's inevitable that more cases will arrive. It is not the same as an outbreak.

Crap, I can't believe I've become the Ebola denier apologist here just because I don't predict the worst case scenario.

 

[skychief]

It's not probable, it's inevitable that more cases will arrive. It is not the same as an outbreak.

Crap, I can't believe I've become the Ebola denier apologist here just because I don't predict the worst case scenario.

Hey, we're not predicting a worst-case-scenario, These folks are:

LONDON (AP) — West Africa could face up to 10,000 new Ebola cases a week within two months, the World Health Organization warned Tuesday, adding that the death rate in the current outbreak has risen to 70 percent.

Thats a pretty dismal outlook if you ask me. Im surprised there is no multi-national coalition being assembled to help those poor folks out. (im excluding the military deployments (US, UK, France) as the purpose of their presence is undisclosed)

 

[Stewie26]

And you will remember that in the first few pages of this thread I was on the side of people saying you were fear mongering. I have had to, unfortunately for sure, come to the conclusion that this is much more worrisome than I originally thought. .

I feel the same as you. At first I thought it was no big deal here in the USA but now, after recent events, I am more concerned than before. I will even venture to say that the US will be forced to implement travel restrictions before the end of 2014. Time will tell.