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Ebola Comes To USA

#421
skychief said:
Thanks for pointing out glaring misstatements i made! a 70% mortality rate? That's nothing compared to past Ebola Zaire outbreaks with case fatality rates ranging from 80%-90%!!

I know I'll sleep much better tonight! :thumbsup:
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You made a bunch of statements that were shown to be patently false, to support a false premise.

Your response is to basically change the subject.

I've tried to avoid personalizing this thread but you have been a consistent spreader of false information from dubious sources, and you simply ignore anything that does not fit into your scenario, and you cherry pick items from articles that say the opposite.

You are the first to criticize others when you are not being condescending to them, and you don't even bother to take the time to finish reading a post or to try and understand it before you react. What gives?
 
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Here's a few interesting facts about the nation's ability to handle Ebola:

80% of registered nurses said their hospital has not communicated "any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola." The survey, which began weeks ago and is still accepting answers, includes responses from 700 RNs at more than 250 hospitals across 31 states.

87% of nurses say their hospital has not held Ebola education sessions with time for questions and interaction;

Nearly 40% say their hospital does not have a plan to equip isolation rooms with plastic covered mattresses and discard linens after use.

33% say their hospital does not have a sufficient supply of impermeable gowns and eye protection.

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#425
The Nigeria experience left some interesting possibilities. One of the things that increases the risk of death is dehydration, which apparently is so severe with Ebola that if you miss a day you must drink double the next day, etc. there is no recuperating if it gets too bad, apparently IV drips will not be sufficient and survivors were those who believed they could beat the disease and made the superhuman effort to drink enough treated water to overcome the dehydration experienced after symptoms showed but before they were treated.

It's possible a lot of Africans die because they wait to receive an IV while they are transported to a clinic or hospital and are not given enough fluid with rehydrating salts and minerals beforehand.

A nurse that survived said the ones who believed they had a chance and fought to hydrate themselves often survived, but many who simply site for Western medicine to arrive did not. She believes attitude and the will and belief to live are very important components to the deadliness of the disease

I believe it myself.
 
#426
CTC564 said:
Now that this is finally revealed, it's a game changer

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air
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This would certainly explain how the health care workers in West Africa are becoming infected while wearing FULL HAZMAT suits.

And why the nurses who treated T.E. Duncan came down with Ebola while wearing all the protective garb they were outfitted with.

They need respirators, not the flimsy paper masks the were provided.
 
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CTC564 said:
The hospital that I work at is not set up with enough proper negative pressure rooms and thus far, we've only been told gloves, gown and N95 mask...
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Id guess that most hospitals aren't either. The 3M Veraflo respirator is $427.13, compared to about $.65 for an N95 facemask, so it would be very pricey to outfit a hospital with the necessary equipment.

But in the meantime, armed with this CIDRAP information, the CDC can change the recommendations for protective clothing of the nurses who treat Ebola patients. Hope this happens soon.
 
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skychief said:
Id guess that most hospitals aren't either. The 3M Veraflo respirator is $427.13, compared to about $.65 for an N95 facemask, so it would be very pricey to outfit a hospital with the necessary equipment.

But in the meantime, armed with this CIDRAP information, the CDC can change the recommendations for protective clothing of the nurses who treat Ebola patients. Hope this happens soon.
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Seems like the base minimum
 
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www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air

According to the article the NIH has been aware of the requirements since 2005. They have done nothing about it. While the report is specifically about EBola it goes on to say it is not limited to that but to any aerosol spread illness. So at the very best the NIH has been complacent and may be downright negligent; they blame the nurses that have been complying with protocols that are inadequate. While it provides little succor to the infected, if they survive, at least they will have ample grounds for a lawsuit.
 
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skychief said:
The trouble with Ebola is the information contained in textbooks will certainly be outdated. The strain of Ebola today is different that the Ebola in 2003. Its smarter, deadlier, much more verulent, and poses a very real health threat to entire world. Its changing as we speak. A vaccine for the disease could be months away or it might never come at all.

But until it (a vaccine) comes, the world needs to put on our thinking caps and start making some sensible decisions regarding the containment of Ebola. So far we really haven't seen any (except for the African countries which have imposed strict travel restrictions for travelers in the hot zone).



I agree, the bottom line in any emergency is not to panic. :thumbsup:
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This strain is not smarter nor deadlier than previous strains. Mortality rates are lower than previous outbreaks even though there are more cases, 70% versus 90%. This is primarily due to more access to greater supportive treatment and care than with the previous outbreaks. Earlier outbreaks occurred in more remote areas with even less health care access than current outbreak locations. Current textbooks and public health advisories give a sufficient overview of the infectious disease microbiology of Ebola and other hemorrhagic viruses to answer most people's questions in an adequate fashion.
 
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sissy kathy said:
www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air

According to the article the NIH has been aware of the requirements since 2005. They have done nothing about it. While the report is specifically about EBola it goes on to say it is not limited to that but to any aerosol spread illness. So at the very best the NIH has been complacent and may be downright negligent; they blame the nurses that have been complying with protocols that are inadequate. While it provides little succor to the infected, if they survive, at least they will have ample grounds for a lawsuit.
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Do not use Breitbart.com as a source of information and expect to be taken seriously. Ebola is not an airborne infectious disease like influenza. It is not spread in the same way. Period.
 
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Hawaii Islander said:
Do not use Breitbart.com as a source of information and expect to be taken seriously. Ebola is not an airborne infectious disease like influenza. It is not spread in the same way. Period.
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Exactly. The report does not claim the pathogen is airborne. It provides evidence that it can be transmitted via aerosols. Which would explain the incidence of infection even when HAZMAT suits and faceshields have proved ineffective in preventing exposure to the pathogen.
 
#435
skychief said:
Exactly. The report does not claim the pathogen is airborne. It provides evidence that it can be transmitted via aerosols. Which would explain the incidence of infection even when HAZMAT suits and faceshields have proved ineffective in preventing exposure to the pathogen.
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The problem is word usage. Aerosols are specific to airborne spread (sneezing and coughing) over a distance. Splatters of large droplets is a problem with Ebola over short distances in that large quantities of infectious materials can be deposited on protective clothing. Improper protective clothing or improper wearing or removal of protective clothing can be an area of increased risk of exposure. Aerosol spread is not the same, and is usually limited to airborne infectious diseases like influenza. Influenza can be spread via micro droplets that can travel several feet or more and remain in the air longer. Also airborne infectious diseases tend to be localized in the respiratory system in high volume. The localization and area of concentration makes a significant difference in how it is transmitted from person to person and when and how transmission can occur.
 
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sissy kathy said:
And with the downsizing and modernization that has been going on there are plenty available too.
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Military NBC suits (charcoal Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Warfare suits) and masks are not appropriate for medical applications. I used the military suits in the US Air Force and Air National Guard. Lightweight, disposable hazmat suits are more useful and cheaper.
 
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skychief said:
Exactly. The report does not claim the pathogen is airborne. It provides evidence that it can be transmitted via aerosols. Which would explain the incidence of infection even when HAZMAT suits and faceshields have proved ineffective in preventing exposure to the pathogen.
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Can a sneeze produce an aerosol?
Can a wet fart?

Just asking

Seriously
 
#440
Hawaii Islander said:
Military NBC suits (charcoal Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Warfare suits) and masks are not appropriate for medical applications. I used the military suits in the US Air Force and Air National Guard. Lightweight, disposable hazmat suits are more useful and cheaper.
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I often felt that all the NBC gear we had in the military was just to make you feel better about marching off to your death.

And the auto injectors


Hmmmmm
 

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