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Elon Musk as educator

As an educator -- a professor of philosophy, specifically -- I'm a huge proponent of education. However, I'm very skeptical of the idea that a good education results in a more rational or ethical populace. It's been a while, so I'd have trouble with a citation at the moment, but I recall reading something years ago that indicated that education levels don't actually correspond to whether people believe in weird stuff. If anything, education often gives people the tools to rationalize what they want to believe and criticize others for different views.

As an example, I teach an introductory class is philosophical ethics. We spend time at the head of the semester talking about philosophical methods, which in that class are simply various forms of logic -- yes, fallacies, but so much more than that (e.g., how to create deductively sound arguments). Time after time for over two decades, I have seen students learn and be able to apply it all perfectly as long as they are doing so to arguments that are not their own. Then suddenly, once they give their own arguments, it all just goes out the window. It doesn't even change anything if this is pointed out to them by their fellow students in discussions, it just doesn't make a dent most of the time.

Unfortunately, I think it comes down to human nature and psychology, rather than intelligence or education. The brain is a belief-preserving engine (stupid, stupid brain). We all want to believe what we believe, and we'll fight tooth and nail to keep believing it. Ultimately, I can educate students on good logical methods, but they have to make a choice that those things actually matter. I can (and do) try my best to talk about why it matters, but I can't (and shouldn't) force them to make that choice.

On a last note, I can't help but feel bad when people claim that I and my colleagues are indoctrinating the youth. Almost every professor I've ever worked with tries their damndest to help students think for themselves, and yet we're constantly accused of the opposite. It's absolutely devastating to my morale, and makes me wonder sometimes if I'm just a fool for even trying. I hope people will take into account that educators are real human beings with feelings, and not some weird 2D cartoon villains.

Thanks for reading. :)
 
As an educator -- a professor of philosophy, specifically -- I'm a huge proponent of education. However, I'm very skeptical of the idea that a good education results in a more rational or ethical populace. It's been a while, so I'd have trouble with a citation at the moment, but I recall reading something years ago that indicated that education levels don't actually correspond to whether people believe in weird stuff. If anything, education often gives people the tools to rationalize what they want to believe and criticize others for different views.

As an example, I teach an introductory class is philosophical ethics. We spend time at the head of the semester talking about philosophical methods, which in that class are simply various forms of logic -- yes, fallacies, but so much more than that (e.g., how to create deductively sound arguments). Time after time for over two decades, I have seen students learn and be able to apply it all perfectly as long as they are doing so to arguments that are not their own. Then suddenly, once they give their own arguments, it all just goes out the window. It doesn't even change anything if this is pointed out to them by their fellow students in discussions, it just doesn't make a dent most of the time.

Unfortunately, I think it comes down to human nature and psychology, rather than intelligence or education. The brain is a belief-preserving engine (stupid, stupid brain). We all want to believe what we believe, and we'll fight tooth and nail to keep believing it. Ultimately, I can educate students on good logical methods, but they have to make a choice that those things actually matter. I can (and do) try my best to talk about why it matters, but I can't (and shouldn't) force them to make that choice.

On a last note, I can't help but feel bad when people claim that I and my colleagues are indoctrinating the youth. Almost every professor I've ever worked with tries their damndest to help students think for themselves, and yet we're constantly accused of the opposite. It's absolutely devastating to my morale, and makes me wonder sometimes if I'm just a fool for even trying. I hope people will take into account that educators are real human beings with feelings, and not some weird 2D cartoon villains.

Thanks for reading. :)

Agreed!

I just finished reading Rites of Spring by Modris Ekstein and definitely agree with this. Educated people, highly educated people, can get up to all sorts of weird beliefs with potentially catastrophic consequences. There are a number of contemporary examples to choose from where an elite education has not kept a person out of la la land.
 
Agreed!

I just finished reading Rites of Spring by Modris Ekstein and definitely agree with this. Educated people, highly educated people, can get up to all sorts of weird beliefs with potentially catastrophic consequences. There are a number of contemporary examples to choose from where an elite education has not kept a person out of la la land.
I'll have to see if I can find whatever it was I read, but IIRC, educated people were perfectly comfortable believing things as long as they could come up with a pseudo-scientific reason for it, thus making it sound more "rational." "Well, you know, telepathy could be brain waves that are transmitted in a currently undetectable manner between two brains." Stuff like that ...
 
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There are valid reasons for the stereotypes of educators. Even if it isn't fair.

That's a fair statement. Stereotyping is wrong and lazy. It's also true that many of our institutions of higher education, certain perspectives are not welcome, even for debate. This has become more obvious during my past 35+ years working in the industry.
 
That's a fair statement. Stereotyping is wrong and lazy. It's also true that many of our institutions of higher education, certain perspectives are not welcome, even for debate. This has become more obvious during my past 35+ years working in the industry.
That may be; if so, that's too bad. My dissertation was on J.S. Mill and I'm a huge fan of free speech. I'd be the first person to welcome even the most vicious Neo-Nazi to campus to try to defend his views ... and then sick my students on him! :D
 
That may be; if so, that's too bad. My dissertation was on J.S. Mill and I'm a huge fan of free speech. I'd be the first person to welcome even the most vicious Neo-Nazi to campus to try to defend his views ... and then sick my students on him! :D

The stereotype is that there might not be enough students to disagree with him, in recent times.
 
That may be; if so, that's too bad. My dissertation was on J.S. Mill and I'm a huge fan of free speech. I'd be the first person to welcome even the most vicious Neo-Nazi to campus to try to defend his views ... and then sick my students on him! :D

When I was in college a local Neo-Nazi was invited to campus to speak and a number of student groups got so up in arms that the invitation was rescinded. I was disappointed because the nasties always shrivel up in the light, may have indulged a bit, and then the power went off on campus the night he was supposed to speak. Enjoyable (for me) bedlam ensued. Ah, college. Now, this was probably 1992 or 1993.
 
When I was in college a local Neo-Nazi was invited to campus to speak and a number of student groups got so up in arms that the invitation was rescinded. I was disappointed because the nasties always shrivel up in the light, may have indulged a bit, and then the power went off on campus the night he was supposed to speak. Enjoyable (for me) bedlam ensued. Ah, college. Now, this was probably 1992 or 1993.
Yah, I don't approve of that sort of behavior. People should be able to speak in legit situations such as that, even if what they have to say is terrible ...
 
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That may be; if so, that's too bad. My dissertation was on J.S. Mill and I'm a huge fan of free speech. I'd be the first person to welcome even the most vicious Neo-Nazi to campus to try to defend his views ... and then sick my students on him! :D


A Neo-Nazi is low hanging fruit. What is more important is having people with very different philosophical/political views in adjacent faculty offices. Intellectual liberal and conservatives interacting daily and teaching the same group of students is richer university environment.