Duuuuuuuuuude said:
Perhaps it is that people like to discuss stuff in a discussion forum.
What a concept!
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Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses
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Perhaps it is that people like to discuss stuff in a discussion forum.
What a concept!
Funny thing about putting a Fender logo on a Squier is that you're basically faking a MIM. I don't know of any Squier with a truss rod screw in the back of the neck. So you turned your $200 bass into a $500 bass, ohhh i'm impressed. 
My Squier's already say "by Fender" no need to fake it, it already is a Fender.
My Squier's already say "by Fender" no need to fake it, it already is a Fender.
Duuuuuuuuuude said:
Read the OP post...
"Should I have a problem with this?"
"First of all, why would you do something like that unless you were trying to convince people it's a Fender?"
"I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble here; this is more of a philosophical question I had that I thought I'd put to my TB colleagues."
So the OP stirs the pot, people give their opinions, and then blasts all posters because their arguments lacked logic...
I think "real Fender" owners have every right to be upset about this because the practice of slapping a Fender decal on a non-original "dilutes" the brand, sort of. Why don't they put "Sadowsky" or any other logo?
Yea, people can do whatever they want... it's their money.
How many "Fenders" have I seen recently on Craigslist that I have passed on just because I don't want to be bothered with trying to find out what's genuine and what isn't?
I think the comment about if Squiers are so good (and I own two) then why people have to scrape off the decal is spot-on. It's a placebo. It's a counterfeit, a fake. But some folks like to do this to themselves. This is my opinion.
And no, I ain't selling anyone either of my Fenderettes... those two stay with me.
I actually tried out a VM yesterday at GC, been GASSIN for one for quite sometime, and the set up was pretty spot on even for GC...ha ha, i would buy one of these in a heart beat without a doubt! i just wish i could it just would get the playing time to justify the purchase, even at 274 bucks! and i do have to admit, if i did purchase one the last, very last thing i would do is slap a Fender decal on it......thats just me.
So if someone else takes something that I have modified uses it to commit a crime, I'm somehow responsible? If I soup up a vehicle and then sell it and someone uses it as a getaway car in a crime? By your standards that's the exact same thing - I'm a bad person for pursuing a legitimate hobby.
I should like to add that there's nothing stopping someone from taking a legit Fender neck (let's say MIM), sanding off the MIM identifiers and mating it to a knockoff body and selling it as an American Fender to the same neophytes. A blanket "caveat emptor" is better than hoping that enforcing headstock fidelity will somehow keep the frauds away.
DanGouge said:
Jeez I'm talking about a bass and fraud, not violent crimes. I really appreciate your attempts to justify your immorality though.
Edit. BTW, it's not MY standards, it's the law. Fraud is illegal. Counterfeiting is illegal. What part of that are you not getting?
So seriously, what about my MIM Fender P that I removed the decal and left the headstock blank? Y'all have a problem with that?
The fact is my daughter has a Squier P that smokes the MIM and my old man's MIA. Personally, I can't stand any of them. The old man has a seriously bad ass American Deluxe J, but other than that I'd just as soon leave all the Fenders for youse guys. lol
The fact is my daughter has a Squier P that smokes the MIM and my old man's MIA. Personally, I can't stand any of them. The old man has a seriously bad ass American Deluxe J, but other than that I'd just as soon leave all the Fenders for youse guys. lol
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I've posted this same concept in the other myriad decal threads, but I think it at least bears consideration.
Fender didn't do a good job defending all of their designs, but they at least have maintained ownership of their trademark (decal). Buying a fake (pirated) decal only serves to support a counterfietor and present the possibility of fraud in the future. Nobody wins. Its not illegal to mod your own instrument in this way, but just consider the above.
Fender isn't only a bunch of suits in an office. It's hundreds of hourly employees counting on their brand and trademarks to mean something so they can put food on the table. I, personally, think that means something.
Fender didn't do a good job defending all of their designs, but they at least have maintained ownership of their trademark (decal). Buying a fake (pirated) decal only serves to support a counterfietor and present the possibility of fraud in the future. Nobody wins. Its not illegal to mod your own instrument in this way, but just consider the above.
Fender isn't only a bunch of suits in an office. It's hundreds of hourly employees counting on their brand and trademarks to mean something so they can put food on the table. I, personally, think that means something.
Some of the Fender reactionaries crack me up.
They give the impression that a fake decal is like lying about serving in Vietnam when you were never even in the service.
One particular member acts like it's trying to infiltrate an exclusive country club or something.
Imo, it's more like sticking a Hooker Headers sticker on a car that doesn't have them.
Squirrely? Perhaps, but certainly no major crime against society.
They give the impression that a fake decal is like lying about serving in Vietnam when you were never even in the service.
One particular member acts like it's trying to infiltrate an exclusive country club or something.
Imo, it's more like sticking a Hooker Headers sticker on a car that doesn't have them.
Squirrely? Perhaps, but certainly no major crime against society.
So, you know people who would buy a car because they thought it was a "Hooker Header" car?
Would you be concerned if you put out a good product and someone else was using your logo on a second-rate product?
Do you like to deceive others?
You must know it's wrong or why would you try to justify it.
1) Don't be fatuous.
2) Concerned? Fender is one of the least concerned companies I can imagine. It was Fender who allowed others to rip off/copy their designs for decades through their own negligence.
3) See #1.
4) Of course it's "wrong", but I was putting the severity of the crime into perspective instead of trying to justify it.
Edit: I must confess. Once I altered a Jay Turser logo to Jay Burner.
If you have a Squier and replace the logo with a Fender decal, not to sell it as a scam, but rather for personal enjoyment... you possibly have unresolved mental health issues. It's like stuffing a tube sock down your pants and then staying home, admiring your new look.
Whatever gets you through the day I guess.
Whatever gets you through the day I guess.
Ooooh, I've got an idea. Let's drag the relicers and anti-relicers into this one. That should spike the punch!
Apples to oranges comparison. If you legally modify and use a car and down the line somebody uses it illegally you are not liable. However, counterfeiting and fraud is a crime both in the creation and any future selling. You can't print copies of legal tender at home for run even if you promise never to use it. If somebody else gets ahold of it and uses it you are still liable and the maker. The making is a crime.
Sure, disclosing to a future buyer that it is not a real Fender might excuse you from fraud, but making it in the firstplace is technically counterfeitting.
