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Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses

Perhaps if Fender just got with the program of all the other high-end bass builders and made their premium (USA) instruments all neck-thru then they wouldn't have to worry too much about what the headstock says... ;)

From day one, Fender took the easy route in instrument creation, making them extremely easy to build, modify, and yes, even copy. Bolt-on necks vice neck-thru, cheaply top-routed bodies where all the imperfections in the woodwork and finish are simply covered by a cheap plastic pickguard, and typically some of the cheapest plastic and die cast metal hardware you can find in a spare parts bin has been their trademark for years. If they honestly cared about their trademark and brand name as much as the folks here, they would've done a better job protecting it by making it harder to copy throughout the years.

The real sad part is, I could blind fold you, hand you a $3000 "custom" USA P-bass, then a $1000 USA, then a $750 Japanese one, then a $500 MIM, and maybe 10% of the guys here could tell the difference based on fit, finish, and feel, especially after all had been professionally set-up.

I'm not trying to dog Fender (I own 2 of them and they're great at doing what they do), but they were originally built to be the "working man's bass". Fender is the Levi Strauss of the instrument world. They were created to be easy to play and affordable enough that working musicians could buy one. They sell more instruments (guitar/bass) worldwide than any other brand. Someone slapping a Fender decal on their Squier isn't hurting anything. It's your bass, make it your own.

As for the claims of fraud, this is the information age. If you're really that concerned, I can almost guarantee that the google machine can find you the answer. If you are paying more than a couple hundred bucks for an instrument and you aren't absolutely sure it is what being advertised, run the serial number. Find out some history on it. If it doesn't 100% check out, DON'T BUY IT! If you're really that concerned, only deal with reputable, licensed dealers. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

I just find it amazing that anyone really cares that much. The only people that seem to care are the real Fender stalwarts who now feel that the basses they own have in some way been "cheapened" by others branding theirs the same way. If you can prove your bass is what you say it is when you sell it, you haven't lost any value, have you? You know what your bass is, who cares what someone else is playing?
 
Putting a Fender logo on a non-Fender bass is not in itself a criminal offense. Copying or printing currency (if you are not the Federal Reserve) is a special case.

You'd be surprised what a trademark lawyer would say to that.

If it is illegal to screenprint their logo on your own t-shirt then it is certainly a crime to use it on a non-fender instrument, even a squier.

Don't believe that it is illegal? Call Fender or your local AG office and ask them.
 
You'd be surprised what a trademark lawyer would say to that.
No, I wouldn't. As long as you don't try to compete with Fender on the open market with counterfeit goods, there is no case, and even then it would be a civil case, not a criminal trial.

IANAL, but if you can site a statute to back your claim of the criminality of putting a Fender logo on your own bass, I'd like to see it.
 
Jeez I'm talking about a bass and fraud, not violent crimes. I really appreciate your attempts to justify your immorality though.

Edit. BTW, it's not MY standards, it's the law. Fraud is illegal. Counterfeiting is illegal. What part of that are you not getting?

Let me refer you to my original post where I said I wouldn't do such a thing myself. A criminal act is a criminal act violent or otherwise. But by the same token, there are things that are technically illegal that don't bother me. I would say the same thing about mild recreational drug use or going 5 over the limit on an empty highway or making a mixtape for your girl/boyfriend back when that was a thing. Personal use of a "Fender" decal on a bass is in the same category for me. I just can't get upset about it.
 
That's the point man. The future kids and neophytes being duped. So great it isn't you, it's going to be someone. Yeah a fool and his money are soon parted; that makes it all ok for you to belittle those that have morals around this matter.

Just go and search all the threads here about Chinese knockoff instruments and how incensed people are by it. But it's ok if you did it in your basement. Cool.

So, buying a "Gibson" logo truss cover and screwing it to the headstock of your Epi T-bird is a no-no then?

:hiding:

:D
 
There are two ways you can get nipped for it.

Fender will only provide an authorized replacement decal to you after you've sent them images of the bass you want it for. If youndon't use it on that specific bass it is technically illegal but you are probably never going to get busted.

More commonly, if it is a decal not made by Fender itis illegal in the US. Most of the onus of the crime is on the maker and seller. However, like any counterfeit good it can be seized. If you stuck it on your bass do you think anoyone would take the time to remove it or would they just taake your bass. Again i am not saying you are likely to be confronted by officers to seize your bass. But remeber that technically the decal is counterfeit and illegal.

Notice I am saying that younwill probably not get in trouble for it, but folks who are saying it is on the up and up are misinformed. If fender decided to be jerks about it you would be on the wrong side.

As to the morality of it? Why bother? You'll be living a lie.
 
oh hells ya !!!

i'ma wanna put one of those fakE poser waterslide thingies on my Bongo :hyper: i think it would be sO cool too

which one of youse guys prints up the poser decals ? ( do you actually sell em, or just give em away to help with poseritus withdrawls ? )

is there a fakE fEnder club for all the posers too ?

stand up & be proud of your cool poser basses

but on a more serious note :confused:

i think this fake fender fetish is kinda like a dude that is married to a extremely obese wife but sits at home & wacks off to skinny girl porn
 
OK, I will close this thread if it gets what I would consider ugly.

... well, with almost 4500 hits and over 170 replies in less than 48 hours ... we have digressed to the guy with the fat wife spending too much time late at night scrolling skinny girl sites on his computer ...

... its kinda getting sorta ugly .. dontchathink?
 
I can say with almost 100% certainty that one day it will be for sale; odds are, it will be sold many times.

that right there is the reason i don't buy used fender basses


i mean some of you guys know every minute detail that has to do with jazz/p basses & could tell instantly if it's a fake

i on the other hand don't care to obsess with all those models / years / features / color variations & on & on

WAYY to many fakes out there being passed off as the real deal

when i buy fender, i buy new
 
NorCal Dog said:
that right there is the reason i don't buy used fender basses


WAYY to many fakes out there being passed off as the real deal

when i buy fender, i buy new

See, you guys using the fake decals are doing Fender right.

Thanks to all the fakes we know of at least one customer that will only buy brand new from Fender.

Seems to me Fender should be shaking the hands of every so called poser out there.

On Fenders behalf I'd like to thank all of you guys, your fake decals have helped make fender extra money. Good Job guys.

And here everyone thought doing this was a bad thing.