Good point! I forgot to mention the amp stand or wedge or something to aim the amp where You can hear it
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Sure, you can use any of the v3 Rumble cabs with the Rumble 200 combo with excellent results. They have been specifically designed to all work well together. While "ideal" is a fairly subjective description, many would say that that the 115 is the best cab for the 200 in order to get the most from the matched speakers coupling effect.
Some here in TB even believe that anything other than matched speakers is detrimental to your sound! Others, of which I am one, say from their own experience that some mismatched speakers sound as good, maybe even better, to them than matched speakers (oh, heresy!). My own Rumble 500 (210) combo sounds wonderful to me with my Bassman 115 neo cab. But I've not heard a R500c with a R210 cab to compare the two setups, so what do I know?
So, the answer to this question, too, is to use your ears and find what sounds good to you.
Also, as to whether Fender will make a Rumble Stage or Studio head, the most authoritative answer, so far is linked on the Fender Rumble Club Wiki:
Can you not enlarge the type by zooming in? Either by "unpinching" on your phone or tablet screen, or with Ctrl-+ on a PC keyboard.
I first misunderstood your question to be about the pre/post XLR out. But it seems you're asking, "Does the FX Send actually send the preamp signal with FX?"
I don't recall reading anything about that in any of the articles or posts I've researched, or even the manual. But the idea begs the question, "Does any FX Send NOT send the signal with FX?" If so, then that would not seem to be an "FX Send" at all, but what some call "a true DI", wouldn't it?
However, The Stage and Studio seem to have been designed to be SO flexible, as seen by the dual/stereo/mono pre/post XLRs and the dual/stereo sends & returns, that I wouldn't be surprised if there actually IS a pre/post setting for the FX Sends! That is, IF there is any perceived use for such a thing.
But just what would a dry FX Send accomplish? Isn't the intent of the Send/Return loop to add external FX to the resulting preamp signal? Since the FX Return usually goes, more or less, direct to the power amp, wouldn't a dry FX Send amount to the same thing as bypassing the preamp by just plugging your guitar into your external FX (or preamp) and that into the FX Return?
So, is turning off the internal preamp a useful or needed feature? Does any other amp have this feature? I dunno. The Rumble Stage & Studio seems to break a lot of new ground. But whether this feature would be fertile ground, or not, is beyond me. But I'd like to read others' opinions on the subject.
Did I misunderstand your question again? What are you expecting/wanting?
Please advise if you do try it with another amp.
loll nahh G I just change specs..was 67 May 20th and my new specs can even see G-Dog's posts on my computer monitor loll Last time I pinched anything I got a slap and a "dont wake me up again" comment from the wife...i would hate to try again for an unpinch loll
you playing an 100 watt?
if so what do u have the master set to?
u dont think it sounds muddy or distorted even slightly?
i have played my 100 watt rumble.
max settings i can find are about 9 oclock on gain knob when master is set to 10, 11 oclock. Any more than halfway it distorts. i can just push it to master volume set halfway if i turn the gain down to 8,7 oclock and lo mids 9 oclock or less.
otherwise the more i turn it up the worse it sounds.
i feel it sounds best at practice levels when my gain and master is set to about 9, 8 oclock. but that is gonna be too quiet for the gig im sure.
is it my bass? or is my amp not as powerful as i though it would be?
do i need to upgrade to the rumble 200?
please i need help i hope im doing something wrong so im not stuck with believing its just my amp.
max settings i can find are about 9 oclock on gain knob when master is set to 10, 11 oclock. Any more than halfway it distorts. i can just push it to master volume set halfway if i turn the gain down to 8,7 oclock and lo mids 9 oclock or less.
otherwise the more i turn it up the worse it sounds.
i feel it sounds best at practice levels when my gain and master is set to about 9, 8 oclock. but that is gonna be too quiet for the gig im sure.
is it my bass? or is my amp not as powerful as i though it would be?
do i need to upgrade to the rumble 200?
please i need help i hope im doing something wrong so im not stuck with believing its just my amp.
You are using an active bass, and you have got to turn the damned thing down. Also do not boost EQ on your bass or on your amp, but rather investigate and explore subtractive EQ for the best high volume settings. Use your ears and your brain. Check out the Tone Pool and keep trying. Good Luck. Yes, a Rumble 200 would be better because ...
Mo' Rumbles Is Mo' Betta!
Your 100 will handle it just fine. The EQ knobs do have an effect on the sound, but not the same effect as the master/gain. The only way an EQ knob can cause your amp to start farting is to turn the bass up too far. I've used a 100 on a few gigs and usually had the gain at about 9-10 and the master at about the same. Which you use to increase volume depends on how you want your tone. Increasing gain increases the signal going from the pre-amp to the power amp. That will give you more "grind", like a low level OD. Increasing volume will do just that, but this is where you can overdrive the amp and make it sound really bad. If anything, they will ask you to turn down. Have a great gig!PLEASE HELP I REALLY NEED THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED!!!
i know not to put my master and gain knobs to the max because u can push ur amp too hard and it affects the sound and can be unhealthy to ur speakers i think. i never put my master or gain knobs above 12 oclock just incase. for practice i usually have both my gain and master set at about 8 oclock. I play through a rumble 100 combo by the way.
what is the max i should have the master and gain knobs at to achieve maximum loudness before amp starts to sound terrible?
Also does this apply to the eq (bass, lo mid, hi mid, treble) and overdrive knobs aswell? is it alright to turn them up all the way? what is the max i should do for all my knobs?
the reason i ask is cos i have a gig coming up . im told it is only small, but i dont want my amp to get drowned out by the drums and guitar and i dont want to push my amp too hard so wondering what to do.
i play a discontinued ashdown five fifteen 100 watt combo at school and it seems to hold well against the drummer, who is about medium loudness. the knobs are set about 1 to 3 oclock at times. not too quiet to get drowned out so it just sits in the mix well i guess. Any lower it would get drowned out a bit. I know the new v3 rumbles are loud so i hope it will hold its own for the gig.
if anyone can help me out here that would be great.
THANKS GUYS THE RUMBLE CLUB ROCKS!
The R200 is 140 watts w/o an external cab-which is the way I usually use it. I keep the gain at noon for my PASSIVEs which I use for most gigs. The master is normally 9-noon, depending on the room. Bass is noon +/-,both mids around 2, treble is noon or less. If it starts to "fart" or get muddy, I back Something off. What I back off depends on the room and what the problem seems to be. As stated b4, whatever you set up at home is going to change, at least Some, on the job. When I play my Active bass-at home(it rarely goes out)-I bring the gain Down to 10 or even 9. Otherwise it Does distort. I'm old school-or just old-and not a fan of active electronics. Your bass, being active, means you're going to have to experiment w/ what works for you. My suggestions are based on My experiments w/ my passive basses and may be totally off base/bass for your situation
Read the Rumble Talks especially the one on Gain Structure. You must educate yourself.
Oh. One other thing. With the active pup bass(Bart's)the volume on the bass is No higher than 5. Otherwise it distorts big time
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This is a byproduct of the DSP hardware being shared with guitar players. Here is a direct response I received from Fender on this question:
"All of the amp model/FX processing (except looper or Aux/BT signals) is present in the signal path routed to the FX Loop. In fact having the (Stereo) FX loop on such an FX laden product is a bit odd, but one of those things guitar players insist on having! They feel cheated if it is not there, even though most will never use it. Remember the DSP preamp hardware is shared with Mustang GT."
PLEASE HELP I REALLY NEED THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED!!!
i know not to put my master and gain knobs to the max because u can push ur amp too hard and it affects the sound and can be unhealthy to ur speakers i think. i never put my master or gain knobs above 12 oclock just incase. for practice i usually have both my gain and master set at about 8 oclock. I play through a rumble 100 combo by the way.
what is the max i should have the master and gain knobs at to achieve maximum loudness before amp starts to sound terrible?
Also does this apply to the eq (bass, lo mid, hi mid, treble) and overdrive knobs aswell? is it alright to turn them up all the way? what is the max i should do for all my knobs?
the reason i ask is cos i have a gig coming up . im told it is only small, but i dont want my amp to get drowned out by the drums and guitar and i dont want to push my amp too hard so wondering what to do.
i play a discontinued ashdown five fifteen 100 watt combo at school and it seems to hold well against the drummer, who is about medium loudness. the knobs are set about 1 to 3 oclock at times. not too quiet to get drowned out so it just sits in the mix well i guess. Any lower it would get drowned out a bit. I know the new v3 rumbles are loud so i hope it will hold its own for the gig.
if anyone can help me out here that would be great.
THANKS GUYS THE RUMBLE CLUB ROCKS!
The Rumble 100 should do just fine. As other's have said you'll need to play around with some things.
I was experimenting with my active SR and the amps gain/EQ today funny enough. What I've found with my Rumble 500 head is that when the gain is turned up too high things get a bit flabby for lack of a better word. On my active bass this happens at 10 o'clock. So I'd recommend setting your gain before it gets to the point where you can hear it driving the preamp too hard (flubby, farty, boomy whatever it does to your sound you'll start to hear it).
Then just adjust master till either a) it's loud enough or b) you can hear the sound start to get flubby again. If you don't have enough volume at that point begin dialing back the low/bass EQ slightly and adjust till you can get the volume you want. From there you'll probably need to dial in at least low-mids if not the rest of the EQ section. How you dial in your EQ is up to you.
Don't get too boosty with your basses EQ either. If I dime the bass boost on my SR it gets distorted and farty no matter what I set on the amp. Personally I like to set the amp and then fiddle with the basses EQ if I feel the need.
Another EQ tip I saw somewhere earlier in the thread is to bring all the EQ knobs on the amp to their minimum setting. In theory this will leave you with a slight mid-boost and should offer some more volume headroom at the cost of some volume going into the power amp.
In the end you'll have to experiment and see what you like. Fortunately the Rumble's EQ is pretty damn great, you should be able to find a tone and volume that works for the gig.
If not, now you have an excuse for a new amp.
