Fender Rumble Club

[FearNoEvil65]

When i own the Rumble 200 V3, i only love how she sound with Vintage button ON .....

It sounds not so good to me, I don't like any of the preset button honestly. The vintage button distorts the sound when used with most of my basses. I find the 200c has plenty of bottom end without the vintage engaged. I jts use the EQ.
But if it sounds good for you, and your basses that's great!

 

[Yahboy]

It sounds not so good to me, I don't like any of the preset button honestly. The vintage button distorts the sound when used with most of my basses. I find the 200c has plenty of bottom end without the vintage engaged. I jts use the EQ.
But if it sounds good for you, and your basses that's great!

My Pbass has Ti flat , so no need worry about too much low end issue when Vintage button engage, but when using GHS flat and La bella flat, i have dial back the bass knob till 9.30 o'clock .

 

[Bass Motifs]

My Pbass has Ti flat , so no need worry about too much low end issue when Vintage button engage, but when using GHS flat and La bella flat, i have dial back the bass knob till 9.30 o'clock .

That's the point isnt it. I have Labellas on main bass. I dial back the bass knob too.

Just got some Chromes on another so might try Vintage with those

 

[AntiguaGuy]

Such cosmetics can be changed to your liking.​

I guess that your point is well-taken, G-Dog. If Fender is unlikely to offer the cosmetic options I'd prefer, the route of customizing a stock amp might be the answer. So I guess that my ideal choice would be a Rumble 800c in tweed with brown/gold grill cloth or in blonde Tolex with oxblood grill cloth. Although I'm fairly handy, I've never reupholstered anything myself and I don't want to risk messing up the covering and grill of a nice amp by attempting a DIY project. Where do you suggest that I could go to get that modification done professionally for a reasonable price?
Thanks.

 

[G-Dog]

I guess that your point is well-taken, G-Dog. If Fender is unlikely to offer the cosmetic options I'd prefer, the route of customizing a stock amp might be the answer. So I guess that my ideal choice would be a Rumble 800c in tweed with brown/gold grill cloth or in blonde Tolex with oxblood grill cloth. Although I'm fairly handy, I've never reupholstered anything myself and I don't want to risk messing up the covering and grill of a nice amp by attempting a DIY project. Where do you suggest that I could go to get that modification done professionally for a reasonable price?
Thanks.

Upholstery shops? Furniture repairs? Cabinet makers? Carpentry shop? Buletin board at craft stores? Etc. ...

 

[AntiguaGuy]

Upholstery shops? Furniture repairs? Cabinet makers? Carpentry shop? Buletin board at craft stores? Etc. ...

Thanks, G-Dog. I'll post a picture of the final result if I find someone to do the project for me.

 

[CIIDMike]

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The 50ASX2 is the Rumble 200. 125ASX2 is Rumble 500

@GlennA paranoid freak here...
so (for the 500c) is this the actual extension jack rating? 8Ω 221W and 4Ω 400W?
i have a 8Ω 250W 15" altec-lansing ER-15 plugged into it, sounds great but is that alright/safe to do?
also have a 4Ω 500W speaker which i never used because i thought it would under power it.. is it safe to try?
does "disconnect combo speakers" or "applied to aux-in" affect the specs in normal operation? ie combo speakers plugged in and bass through the main input jack

 

[SharpCat]

@GlennA paranoid freak here...
so (for the 500c) is this the actual extension jack rating? 8Ω 221W and 4Ω 400W?
i have a 8Ω 250W 15" altec-lansing ER-15 plugged into it, sounds great but is that alright/safe to do?
also have a 4Ω 500W speaker which i never used because i thought it would under power it.. is it safe to try?
does "disconnect combo speakers" or "applied to aux-in" affect the specs in normal operation? ie combo speakers plugged in and bass through the main input jack

There's no way to disconnect the internal speakers in the Rumble combos (without hacking them somehow) so you're always attaching external speakers in parallel. The 500c can only handle 4ohms TOTAL so the attached cab can only be 8ohms. The 500c sends 350W to the internal speakers if no cab is attached, and 250W to each of the internal and cab if a cab is attached. The Altec should be fine as long as you don't go crazy. The 4ohm speaker should not be used.

Not sure I understand your last question, but the output rules apply for all inputs.

 

[G-Dog]

@GlennA paranoid freak here... ... ... ...

Sorry, Mike, but GlennA hasn't been on TalkBass in the last 7 years. So, don't hold your breath waiting on his reply.​

... ... ... so (for the 500c) is this the actual extension jack rating? 8Ω 221W and 4Ω 400W? ... ... ...

No, that's not the extension jack rating! Those ICEpower component test sheets are not the spec's for the Rumble 500 combo. Have you checked your R500c manual? That says its output is rated 350 watts into 8 ohms (standalone, no external cab), and 500 watts into 4 ohms (with one 8 ohm external cab connected).​

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... ... ... i have a 8Ω 250W 15" altec-lansing ER-15 plugged into it, sounds great but is that alright/safe to do? ... ... ...

Yeah, Mike, 8 ohm 250 watts is exactly the minimum ratings printed near the cab connection on the back of your R500c, innit? As referenced in the manual.​

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... ... ... also have a 4Ω 500W speaker which i never used because i thought it would under power it.. is it safe to try? ... ... ...

No, Mike, that's not safe to try! (Nevermind that underpowering a cab is a myth.) That 4 ohm speaker is below the 8 ohm minimum as printed on the back of the amp next to the cab connection, innit? Trying it will overheat and damage the amp, incurring a needless and costly repair!!​

does "disconnect combo speakers" or "[sinewave input signal] applied to aux-in" affect the specs in normal operation? ie combo speakers plugged in and bass through the main input jack

Those instructions are strictly for testing the ICEpower components only! They are not intended for use in normal operation of the combo at any time!! Unless you're a well trained and very experienced electronics technician, you should disregard those component sheets.​

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I hope this helps.​

 

[GonePlaid]

Sorry, Mike, but GlennA hasn't been on TalkBass in the last 7 years. So, don't hold your breath waiting on his reply.​

No, that's not the extension jack rating! Those ICEpower component test sheets are not the spec's for the Rumble 500 combo. Have you checked your R500c manual? That says its output is rated 350 watts into 8 ohms (standalone, no external cab), and 500 watts into 4 ohms (with one 8 ohm external cab connected).​

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Yeah, Mike, 8 ohm 250 watts is exactly the minimum ratings printed near the cab connection on the back of your R500c, innit? As referenced in the manual.​

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No, Mike, that's not safe to try! (Nevermind that underpowering a cab is a myth.) That 4 ohm speaker is below the 8 ohm minimum as printed on the back of the amp next to the cab connection, innit? Trying it will overheat and damage the amp, incurring a needless and costly repair!!​

Those instructions are strictly for testing the ICEpower components only! They are not intended for use in normal operation of the combo at any time!! Unless you're a well trained and very experienced electronics technician, you should disregard those component sheets.​

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I hope this helps.​

And a myth is as good as a mile.

 

[G-Dog]

And a myth is as good as a mile.

... , says The Legend!

 

[Never2Late]

I discovered something this week about my Rumbles.

I usually practice standing, with the amp right in front of me on the floor, less than 2 feet from my legs. I rarely move from that position because I'm reading the music I'm playing, on a stand next to the amp. Occasionally I walk about 8 feet away from the amp to read music on the computer.

My R60 has always sounded the same (great) in either position, and from anywhere else in my small (12x15) music room.

But my R500 sounds very different if I move positions. If it's on the floor, close to me, it sounds boomy. If I walk about 8' away (or more), it sounds great: clean, articulate.

I also noticed that if I pick it up off of the floor and put it on a chair or platform, I don't have to reduce the lows as much to get a clean sound, regardless of my location in the room. I'm guessing that part is "floor coupling" but could be wrong.

I'm sure that someone super knowledgeable about sound dispersion, et. al., like @agedhorse , knows why the R60's sound isn't location sensitive and the R500's is, but for me this was a useful revelation.

 

[G-Dog]

... ... ... I usually practice standing, with the amp right in front of me on the floor, less than 2 feet from my legs. ... ... Occasionally I walk about 8 feet away from the amp to read music on the computer. My R60 has always sounded the same (great) in either position, and from anywhere else in my small (12x15) music room. ... ... ...

The V1 Rumble 60 1x12" weighs 46 lb.s and was produced between 2003 and 2010:​

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... ... ... But my R500 sounds very different if I move positions. If it's on the floor, close to me, it sounds boomy. If I walk about 8' away (or more), it sounds great: clean, articulate. I also noticed that if I pick it up off of the floor and put it on a chair or platform, I don't have to reduce the lows as much to get a clean sound, regardless of my location in the room. I'm guessing that part is "floor coupling" but could be wrong. ... ... ...

I agree, Never. Your description certainly "sounds" generally like "floor coupling" to me, too. Your R500c 2x10" weighs just 36.5 lb.s, so it is not quite as firmly "affixed" to the floor as your 46 lb. R60 1x12". And, although amplifying the same root frequencies, the two amps' differing weights, speaker sizes, cabinetry and circuitry will produce somewhat differing overtones and harmonics which can behave quite differently.​

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Is this the only location you've noticed this? What is the floor like? Wooden slats on wooden joists suspended above an earthen ground, or perhaps even above another room below? Such flooring would provide some likely resonant spaces to reinforce certain frequencies, or harmonics thereof. Or, if it's some thin covering over a concrete slab foundation, then the acoustics may moreso involve the walls' proximity and construction type.​

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I would think the same acoustic processes are operating on the R60 as on the R500c, but perhaps the R60's overtones and/or harmonics are just not as prevalent or noticable to the ear. At any rate, I can only suggest elevating the R500c in that position/location in the future.​

... ... ... I'm sure that someone super knowledgeable about sound dispersion, et. al., like @agedhorse , knows why the R60's sound isn't location sensitive and the R500's is, but for me this was a useful revelation.

Granted, I'm not super knowledgeable about such things, Never. But I have occasionally dealt with such things on, at least, a superficial, or temporary, basis over several decades at different venues. And you have my 2¢ worth of explanation, sir, if no definitive recommendation. I hope it helps. ​

 

[Miles_ONeal]

The V1 Rumble 60 1x12" weighs 46 lb.s and was produced between 2003 and 2010:​

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I agree, Never. Your description certainly "sounds" generally like "floor coupling" to me, too. Your R500c 2x10" weighs just 36.5 lb.s, so it is not quite as firmly "affixed" to the floor as your 46 lb. R60 1x12". And, although amplifying the same root frequencies, the two amps' differing weights, speaker sizes, cabinetry and circuitry will produce somewhat differing overtones and harmonics which can behave quite differently.​

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Is this the only location you've noticed this? What is the floor like? Wooden slats on wooden joists suspended above an earthen ground, or perhaps even above another room below? Such flooring would provide some likely resonant spaces to reinforce certain frequencies, or harmonics thereof. Or, if it's some thin covering over a concrete slab foundation, then the acoustics may moreso involve the walls' proximity and construction type.​

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I would think the same acoustic processes are operating on the R60 as on the R500c, but perhaps the R60's overtones and/or harmonics are just not as prevalent or noticable to the ear. At any rate, I can only suggest elevating the R500c in that position/location in the future.​

Granted, I'm not super knowledgeable about such things, Never. But I have occasionally dealt with such things on, at least, a superficial, or temporary, basis over several decades at different venues. And you have my 2¢ worth of explanation, sir, if no definitive recommendation. I hope it helps. ​

I’m not familiar with the r60 but another factor could just be that it’s not producing as much volume of the lowest frequencies to floor couple to begin with.

 

[agedhorse]

The Rumble 60 speaker has a different bandwidth as well as a different polar pattern.

Try tilting the bigger Rumble back about 15 degrees…

 

[Never2Late]

The Rumble 60 speaker has a different bandwidth as well as a different polar pattern.

Try tilting the bigger Rumble back about 15 degrees…

Thanks. I have tried tilting the R500 back (to determine the effects of a tilt-back stand vs. a get-it-off-the-floor stand).

The first couple of times I leaned it back against the wall behind it (with a towel across the top corner to prevent marks). That was just past the R500's balance point (where it would lean back rather than falling forward), I'm guessing 20 to 25 degrees. That did sound better, but I was also standing back at least 6 feet.

This last time I put a rolled up towel under the front to prop it up. Less of an angle, probably 10 degrees, and that didn't make a significant difference.

 

[Never2Late]

Is this the only location you've noticed this? What is the floor like? Wooden slats on wooden joists suspended above an earthen ground, or perhaps even above another room below? Such flooring would provide some likely resonant spaces to reinforce certain frequencies, or harmonics thereof.​

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This is in my music room, where I play most of the time. It's on the upper level in my house, with typical wood joist construction.​

 

[G-Dog]

... My R60 has always sounded the same (great) in either position, and from anywhere else in my small (12x15) music room. ... ... But my R500 sounds very different if I move positions. If it's on the floor, close to me, it sounds boomy. If I walk about 8' away (or more), it sounds great: clean, articulate. ...

The V1 Rumble 60 1x12" weighs 46 lb.s and was produced between 2003 and 2010: ... ... although amplifying the same root frequencies, the two amps' differing weights, speaker sizes, cabinetry and circuitry will produce somewhat differing overtones and harmonics which can behave quite differently ..

I’m not familiar with the r60 ...

Since so few people are familiar with the V1 R60 these days, I included a link to it's manual in my previous post for those so interested. ​

The Rumble 60 speaker has a different bandwidth as well as a different polar pattern. ...

Hmm ... Intrinsically different speaker characteristics! Leave it to The Elder Equine to get to the heart of the matter! ​

This is in my music room, where I play most of the time. It's on the upper level in my house, with typical wood joist construction.

Aha! Wood joists create their own small resonant spaces. But, upper level!?! No doubt with even bigger (room-like for deeper resonance?) space(s) below said floor for various frequencies to seek reinforcement, I'll wager.​

 

[RoxxNard]

Seeking advice from my fellow rumblers.
I recently got an AMAZING (too good to pass up, disgustingly amazing) deal on a new Ampeg Pro Neo 4x10 cabinet, (PN410-HLF) and am thinking about pairing it up with my Rumble 500.
I'll be running it this week. I'd then be rocking 6x10 Eminence woofers.
I do already own the V115 Rumble cab.
I get it that it might look funny but I'm excited to stack my 500 on top of the 410.
The cab is 68lbs, light but not Rumble V3 light. The speakers are custom tuned for Ampeg sound.
Is anyone willing to share any thoughts, concerns, advice or insight on this pairing.

Thank you in advance!

 

[G-Dog]

Seeking advice from my fellow rumblers. I recently got an AMAZING (too good to pass up, disgustingly amazing) deal on a new Ampeg Pro Neo 4x10 cabinet, (PN410-HLF) and am thinking about pairing it up with my Rumble 500. ... ... ...

Ask seller why it's such a great deal! Is it really new new, or just new-to-you new? Is it all original speakers? Any re-wiring? Cabinet repairs? My searches say it should be 8 ohms and handle up to 850 watts RMS. You should verify that with the seller. (Your R500c needs 8 ohms and can send it just 250 watts.) It should sound awesome! More SPL than the 115.​

... ... ... I'll be running it this week. I'd then be rocking 6x10 Eminence drivers. I do already own the V115 Rumble cab. I get it that it might look funny but I'm excited to stack my 500 on top of the 410. The cab is 68lbs, light but not Rumble V3 light. The drivers are custom tuned for Ampeg sound. ... ... ...

What's the return policy? What if it doesn't sound right when you try it? Have your R115 close at hand, just in case!​

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If the R500c stacked on the R115 cab doesn't bother your visual OCD, then don't worry about the looks with this cab. And the Rumble V3 410 cab is 62.5 lb.s, so that's just 5.5 lb.s more. Not too shabby!! Only concern is why the low price!?! How is it not too good to be true?​

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Good luck, Roxx!​