Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

[G-Dog]

... ... the idea of a Stage 800 head [is] far fetched. I mean, one would think the tones of the different models & sims are tailored to sound the way they do with the accompanying speakers & cab design. Can you imagine how different those models would sound with all the variations of speaker cabs out there. ... ...

That's exactly the point I made to someone recently, ... until ... hmmm ... I thought about ... guitar modeling heads! Yeah, what's up with that!?! Come on!!

. . . just to mention a few!
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So, why should bass modeling heads be so far fetched? ... or even so rare?? I mean, is guitar tone less important than bass tone??? ... to guitar players, I mean. (Yeah, it might be to bass players. ) So, I think a Stage 800 head is as good an idea as any! And, of course, the modeling Rumble Club 400 combo and head to fit between the Studio & Stage, is still on my wish list.

I also think a non-modeling Rumble 400 HD, li'l brother to the 800 with all it's improvements, would be a good seller! 250-ish watts at 8 ohms would handle a lot of different sized gigs. And 400 watts at 4, or 2.67 or maybe even 2 ohms!! Forgetaboutit! Or at least down to 2.67 ohms, come on! Even just three 8 ohm cabs pumpin' out 400 watts should be plenty SPL for almost anything.

And I'm gonna keep on beatin' the drum for an ultralight Rumble 212 cab to handle at least 400 watts continuous, preferably more, to safely work solo with the Stage 800 and R800 HD. OK, yeah, I'm too old and back too weak to lug it, but lotsa people would absolutely love it! I see a lot of TBers around here with 212s from other manufacturers. Why not a Rumble?

I also miss the idea of the discontinued Rumble 112! But, if they're not gonna bring that back, then how about a revamped Rumble 115 to better match the size of the 200c and 500c? How many OCD Rumblers reject the current wider 115, which was built to match the 410? (Answer: a lot!) While they're at it, upgrade the speaker in the revamped 115 to handle 400 watts continuous (or at least 350 like the 210!) so that it can safely work solo with the Stage 800 or the R800 HD. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

My 2¢.
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[Linnin]

upgrade the speaker in the revamped 115 to handle 400 watts continuous

I disagree most vociferously. The current Eminence 15 manufactured in China is a thing of serendipitous beauty, and not to be trifled with (the driver, but not the cab). It's just incredible how good a cheaply made speaker can sound. Ditto the 10" Eminence drivers in the Rumble Stage 800; Rumble 500 combo, and Rumble 210 cabinets. Leave them be.

 

[Linnin]

and another thing, I think there should be Fender branded caskets. Kiss had Kiss Caskets. They came with a special liner so you could use them as cooler at parties until the final curtain.

 

[G-Dog]

I disagree most vociferously. The current Eminence 15 manufactured in China is a thing of serendipitous beauty, and not to be trifled with (the driver, but not the cab). It's just incredible how good a cheaply made speaker can sound. Ditto the 10" Eminence drivers in the Rumble Stage 800; Rumble 500 combo, and Rumble 210 cabinets. Leave them be.

I'm not calling for any changes to any other speakers in any other Rumbles! But I certainly think the same designers & manufacturer of the current Rumble speakers could give us a 115 cab with a little more power handling, in a smaller box, to be safely used solo with the new higher powered Rumbles 800s, and still hold just as much serendipitous beauty, if not even more! It's not too far fetched, verboten or taboo. This is a NAMM wish list! Why not?

I submit that the design of the current 300W-rated 115 cab did not include the possible future safe solo use with either of the current Rumble 800s, and certainly underestimated the OCD of many R200c and R500c users. It was obviously designed to match the 410 cab size and to accommodate the 100W of the R200c, the 250W of the R500c and, maybe as a stretch, the 350W of the 500h (in the same manner that the newer current 350W-rated 210s are, apparently, OK to handle the 400W of the Rumble 800s).

Perhaps the current 115 & 210 cabs should simply be re-rated, due to long experience? Again, apparently, the current 350W-rated 210 is good for 400W. Maybe the current 300W-rated 115 is just as good for 350W, or maybe even 400W! But, the 115 cab still needs to visually match the 200c, 210 & 500c box size to expand it's market.

OK, the revamped Rumble 115 might cost more than the current 115. But, it'd he worth it! The current 115 might already be in line for (another?) price hike, anyway.

My 2 bits.
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[ravenhaller]

Hi guys. I'm needing your help.

I'm thinking very seriously of getting myself a Studio 40. Primarily for home studio use, but also as something I can drag about the house when inspiration strikes.

I've been using modellers as long as I can remember. When it comes to recording bass, my go-to chain is a P-Bass + Line 6's SVT modelling (I currently use a Line 6 Pod Pro HD). This combo fits all my mixes like a glove - I have a preset honed-in over many years that nails every time, give or take a couple of tweaks to suit song requirements.

But I have my Pod integrated digitally to my DAW, which complicates signal chains and convolutes workflow if I want to use my analog outboard. I'd rather have a dialled in SVT sound that I can send analog to a preamp (cue a Studio 40), then hit the rest of my outboard in a typical manner. One pass, no fussing about.


I expect i'll be recording via line out 99.999% of the time. So I need to ask - just how good is the SVT preset in the Studio 40? How tweakable is it? Will it be comparable to the SVT modelling found in a Pod Pro HD?


(and lol! I see i've been a member of this forum for ten years, but this is possibly my first post, haha)

 

[G-Dog]

... ... So I need to ask - just how good is the SVT preset in the Studio 40? How tweakable is it? Will it be comparable to the SVT modelling found in a Pod Pro HD?

(and lol! I see i've been a member of this forum for ten years, but this is possibly my first post, haha)

Welcome to TB, you nearly 13-year member, you. Glad to have such an experienced modeler check in here! Maybe @Droopy_TX, or others here, can "speaka de lingo" with you better than some.

Sorry, I'm no expert on SVT tone, either. My few, admittedly brief, encounters with SVTs were not anything to write ..., uh, anywhere ... about. But, perhaps these Fender Tone App screenshots can give you an idea of the tweakability of just the "Rockin' Peg" amp, nevermind the various cabs, effects and order possibilities.

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[iagtrplyr]

Hi guys. I'm needing your help.

I'm thinking very seriously of getting myself a Studio 40. Primarily for home studio use, but also as something I can drag about the house when inspiration strikes.

I've been using modellers as long as I can remember. When it comes to recording bass, my go-to chain is a P-Bass + Line 6's SVT modelling (I currently use a Line 6 Pod Pro HD). This combo fits all my mixes like a glove - I have a preset honed-in over many years that nails every time, give or take a couple of tweaks to suit song requirements.

But I have my Pod integrated digitally to my DAW, which complicates signal chains and convolutes workflow if I want to use my analog outboard. I'd rather have a dialled in SVT sound that I can send analog to a preamp (cue a Studio 40), then hit the rest of my outboard in a typical manner. One pass, no fussing about.


I expect i'll be recording via line out 99.999% of the time. So I need to ask - just how good is the SVT preset in the Studio 40? How tweakable is it? Will it be comparable to the SVT modelling found in a Pod Pro HD?


(and lol! I see i've been a member of this forum for ten years, but this is possibly my first post, haha)

Hey there, ravenhaller. Welcome aboard to the best bass forum on the www. This is an especially interesting thread, though I lurk more than contribute (G’Dog is an intimidating presence with his knowledge and experience in modeling, but can be a Sweetie too).

I currently own a Stage 800 and have enjoyed Aunt Peg. She goes back to Fender’s Bronco-series and I liked it back then too. Its base version gives what I think is a canvas to tweak from, and the new line (Stage/Studio) increases the number of Ampeg models, so I’s Be optimistic that you’ll find something you like. These combos also have new models from Orange, Marshall, and an expanded Fender line. It’s an embarrassment of riches, in my opinion.

You owe it to yourself to give the Studio 40 a serious audition. The effects, amp models, and increased number of in/outs has me believing these are the best bass modeling amps on the market today.

There will be a few others jumping in here so don’t just take my word for it. Speaking of G’Dog, he owns a 40.

Good hunting!

 

[G-Dog]

... ... (G’Dog is an intimidating presence with his knowledge and experience in modeling, but can be a Sweetie too). ... ...

[blush] Aw, Fearless Leader (of the Combo Club). You flatterer, you! [/blush] You must have another assignment for your faithful sargent-at-arms! What is it this this?

... ... I currently own a Stage 800 and have enjoyed Aunt Peg. She goes back to Fender’s Bronco-series and I liked it back then too. ... ... It’s an embarrassment of riches, in my opinion. ... ...

Actually, the "Rockin' Peg" was the first, and therefore default, model on Fender's pre-Bronco 1st Gen bass modeling amp, the B-DEC 30, and it was a great choice. Just turn it on and it's always soon ready to go with that good sounding basic tone, no matter what you had previously ended up with. The new Stage & Studio, though, remembers the last used preset and starts up there!

... ... Speaking of G’Dog, he owns a 40. ... ...

Busted! And, guilty as charged! So much for "impartial bystander" disguise. Yes, I love my Rumble Studio 40 and use it every chance I get. I'm not as technically proficient as some, but I do enjoy trying different tones with a bit of tweaking, here and there. I certainly recommend it to those so inclined.
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[iagtrplyr]

[blush] Aw, Fearless Leader (of the Combo Club). You flatterer, you! [/blush] You must have another assignment for your faithful sargent-at-arms! What is it this this?




Actually, the "Rockin' Peg" was the first, and therefore default, model on Fender's pre-Bronco 1st Gen bass modeling amp, the B-DEC 30, and it was a great choice. Just turn it on and it's always soon ready to go with that good sounding basic tone, no matter what you had previously ended up with. The new Stage & Studio, though, remembers the last used preset and starts up there!




Busted! And, guilty as charged! So much for "impartial bystander" disguise. Yes, I love my Rumble Studio 40 and use it every chance I get. I'm not as technically proficient as some, but I do enjoy trying different tones with a bit of tweaking, here and there. I certainly recommend it to those so inclined.
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I stand corrected, you’re right, it was the Rockin’ Peg from Gen 1. I liked the base model more than the others offered back then, but as I mentioned, there are even more entries with the new amps. I particularly like Fender’s Stadium model for Ampeg. Feels like I’m fighting a 30-mph headwind as I’m rocking out Alameda County Stadium as the opening act for ACDC, circa 1970s.

Okay, maybe that’s stretching it, but with your personal tweaks you can make it into pretty much anything you want to hear.

‘Dog, your assignment for 2020 is to keep me in line, as always, and to continue helping pass the good word of modeling amps to the world. I still get the feeling there’s a nose-turned-up attitude with others when it comes to these beauties.

 

[G-Dog]

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Happy New Year, to all the Rumble owners here. Wishing you all a safe, healthy, prosperous and enjoyable 2020!
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[Cardsfan_69]

I'm playing a New Year's eve gig in Ottumwa, Iowa tonight and will be rocking my Stage 800 and 210 cabinet with my Fender 5 stringer and either my EBMM Sterling HS or my Fender Power Jazz Special as my backup.
Who else is playing with a Rumble amp tonight?

 

[wctesla]

I'm playing a New Year's eve gig in Ottumwa, Iowa tonight and will be rocking my Stage 800 and 210 cabinet with my Fender 5 stringer and either my EBMM Sterling HS or my Fender Power Jazz Special as my backup.
Who else is playing with a Rumble amp tonight?

Happy New Year, I'll be playing my little LT25 (newly replaced by Fender because of a bad LCD in the first one) at home for my own enjoyment...

 

[ricardol]

I'm playing a New Year's eve gig in Ottumwa, Iowa tonight and will be rocking my Stage 800 and 210 cabinet with my Fender 5 stringer and either my EBMM Sterling HS or my Fender Power Jazz Special as my backup.
Who else is playing with a Rumble amp tonight?

How was it?

 

[Cardsfan_69]

Good show. Good crowd. Drummer and the co-lead vocalist had a few moments 9f senility. The drummer can't start a few of our songs 3 times in a row with anywhere near the same tempo each time. I swear, everytime he counts a song off I have to be ready to drag us one way or the other to get on tempo. We play a few Blackberry Smoke songs, one of them "Lord Strike Me Dead" has a very easy laid back tempo but the verses have a bunch of words packed in. He started it so dang fast I literally couldn't get the first verse spit out as fast as the music was chugging. "Hey Jealousy" and "The Middle" were predictably slow but still had a full dance floor.
The Stage 800 and 210 were good. I ran post EQ line to FOH, used my current fav preset GK800 all night. Took a bit of compression off and dialed out a little boominess with the active electronics on my Jazz and my Sterling. Both sounded killer.
I had a terrible bout of influenza B a few weeks ago and my voice up to Sunday eve was still not back to normal. Used Throat Coat and Yogi's Throat Ease tea from a thermos and sang comfortably in full voice and had no squeakers or honkers.
Anyone else have a gig report?
Oh, almost forgot, we had a marriage proposal at midnight so that was cool, and she said yes.

 

[Brain Fog]

I recently found a Studio 40 at a very good price, and I think I might be able to get used to the interface, so I may be keeping this amp for a while.

A question: Does anyone have experience with copying a preset they created from one amp to another? Let's imagine I also have a Stage 800 for gigs. If I create a preset while practicing on my Studio 40, how hard would it be to move that preset to my Stage 800? I don't see anything specifically about this in the manual. (Or another way to think about this: Is to possible to make one amp mirror the other?)

 

[iagtrplyr]

I recently found a Studio 40 at a very good price, and I think I might be able to get used to the interface, so I may be keeping this amp for a while.

A question: Does anyone have experience with copying a preset they created from one amp to another? Let's imagine I also have a Stage 800 for gigs. If I create a preset while practicing on my Studio 40, how hard would it be to move that preset to my Stage 800? I don't see anything specifically about this in the manual. (Or another way to think about this: Is to possible to make one amp mirror the other?)

Great question. I honestly never thought about it so this is info we can all appreciate. Other than physically copying one amp to the other by twisting knobs, I don’t know if you could use the USB on each amp to transfer settings. I’m doubting it because I don’t think it’s ever been mentioned. Let’s see if anyone who knows more than me can help ya.

 

[Linnin]

I recently found a Studio 40 at a very good price, and I think I might be able to get used to the interface, so I may be keeping this amp for a while.

A question: Does anyone have experience with copying a preset they created from one amp to another? Let's imagine I also have a Stage 800 for gigs. If I create a preset while practicing on my Studio 40, how hard would it be to move that preset to my Stage 800? I don't see anything specifically about this in the manual. (Or another way to think about this: Is to possible to make one amp mirror the other?)

Fender Tone App

 

[Brain Fog]

Fender Tone App

So the Tone app will somehow save the preset I created on the 40, and when I later sign on to the 800, it will somehow be downloaded to it? Or both both amps will mirror whatever I create with the help of the app? (I apologize if I'm a little slow to catch on to how this works.)

 

[iagtrplyr]

So the Tone app will somehow save the preset I created on the 40, and when I later sign on to the 800, it will somehow be downloaded to it? Or both both amps will mirror whatever I create with the help of the app? (I apologize if I'm a little slow to catch on to how this works.)

The app is really the only conduit we have between us and the amps, so it makes sense. You. An save your presets and call them up anytime you want. So maybe you can take the saved settings from one combo and upload it to another combo using the same app. Hey, it’s worth a try.

Or cut to the chase and ask Fender directly for an answer. Either way, you might find exactly what you’re looking for. It makes me wish for a Studio 40 just to find out,

 

[G-Dog]

I recently found a Studio 40 at a very good price, and I think I might be able to get used to the interface, so I may be keeping this amp for a while.

A question: Does anyone have experience with copying a preset they created from one amp to another? Let's imagine I also have a Stage 800 for gigs. If I create a preset while practicing on my Studio 40, how hard would it be to move that preset to my Stage 800? I don't see anything specifically about this in the manual. (Or another way to think about this: Is to possible to make one amp mirror the other?)

Fender Tone App

That's the answer that came first to my mind. Upload the new preset to the Fender Tone Community from the creating amp, then download it onto your other amp. There may be even easier ways, but since I only have the Studio I haven't thought about it before. I have downloaded Tone Community presets however and it's a piece o'cake!
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