Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

[Diver]

Judging by the numbers increments, It sounds like it could just be a small bug fix or an optimization update. Usually in software, new features added and major updates see the higher decimal numbers increment, not the last one.

Usually developers increment that last digit number after finding small non game breaking bugs or optimizing the code. Something must have happened that someone said "let's push this one".
The fact that there is no changelog for these is alarming as it is good practice unless the changes are too embarrassing to disclose, which is not better.

 

[NordicBard]

So a Fender Rumble Studio have come up for sale locally. So cheap it is a no-brainer to purchase it.

So I was thinking, as I already own a Studio - Can I hook them up together? Like run bass to Studio A and the run from effects send on Studio A into Studio B.

The idea was to have a clean bass and slightly overdriven at the same time. Kind of like the 'Blend' function on Orange amps.

 

[G-Dog]

... ... So I was thinking, as I already own a Studio - Can I hook them up together? Like run bass to Studio A and the run from effects send on Studio A into Studio B.

The idea was to have a clean bass and slightly overdriven at the same time. Kind of like the 'Blend' function on Orange amps.

Well, Nordo, ... you can ... but the Stage/Studio FX Send level does NOT correspond to the Master Volume, as it does on the non-modeling Rumbles. It's a fixed, lower level! So, Studio B would never get to very loud volume that way.

However, you can probably get what you want by sending the Left (Mono) FX Send of Studio A into the instrument input of Studio B! Just remember, you'll be sending a pre-amped signal to the Studio B, with whatever gain setting that Studio A gives it, so the Studio B settings may give it more gain than you expect.

See the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature, in the Connecting Combos section for the "Chaining Stage/Studio Works Differently" link for more detailed discussion.

Hope this helps. BTW, Bardo, please show us a pic of your Studios bi-amp, will ya?
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[NordicBard]

Well, Nordo, ... you can ... but the Stage/Studio FX Send level does NOT correspond to the Master Volume, as it does on the non-modeling Rumbles. It's a fixed, lower level! So, Studio B would never get to very loud volume that way.

However, you can probably get what you want by sending the Left (Mono) FX Send of Studio A into the instrument input of Studio B! Just remember, you'll be sending a pre-amped signal to the Studio B, with whatever gain setting that Studio A gives it, so the Studio B settings may give it more gain than you expect.

See the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature, in the Connecting Combos section for the "Chaining Stage/Studio Works Differently" link for more detailed discussion.

Hope this helps. BTW, Bardo, please show us a pic of your Studios bi-amp, will ya?
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Thanks buddy!

Will do - I actually pulled the trigger on a Lehle ABY pedal, much easier that way

 

[G-Dog]

Thanks buddy!

Will do - I actually pulled the trigger on a Lehle ABY pedal, much easier that way

Actually, Nordy, (no, I'm not calling you Ashley) if you will be so good as to post your Rumble pix in The Rumble Club main thread, then you'll be awarded a coveted Club number! Just a small technically there to make life interesting.
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[iagtrplyr]

I finally got around to updating my iPhone and the 800 last night. I felt guilty because Doggie our the word out days ago.

As far as revisions, my update said: iPad availability, 3D interface for more intuitive editing, new amps and effects, and bug fixes and stability improvements.

I finally got the cool graphics on my phone now. I love the way I can click on the amp or effect and it enlarges to where I can push buttons and turn knobs.

As far as seeing new toys, I’m wanting to say I saw some new pieces, particularly with the pedals. I admit, it’s been a while since I’ve done a roster inventory, but possibly a new compressor and/or fuzz. I’m trying to remember if there are new amps too. Maybe?

Hope this helps. So yes, the Stage 800 is up to bat and I’ll be sure to give it a good run.

 

[Droopy_TX]

Ok, so Fender updated the Tone app again yesterday to version 3.0.4.
Still nothing obvious to me regarding what's changed; but, it is running just fine.
So, again, maybe just minor bug fixes, as folks have suggested.

 

[iagtrplyr]

Ok, so Fender updated the Tone app again yesterday to version 3.0.4.
Still nothing obvious to me regarding what's changed; but, it is running just fine.
So, again, maybe just minor bug fixes, as folks have suggested.

As has been mentioned before but deserves it again, thanks very much Droopy for keeping this thread updated as you have. Being my combo is currently being used, I can complete the update in no time.

BTW, if you’re ever looking for a new club to add to your current sigs, please think of adding the Combo Club if you already haven’t to your list of memberships. We’d love to have ya!

 

[G-Dog]

Nice Wiki-eligible content here Droopy.

Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!

Thanks, @Droopy_TX. A link to your posts stating that the Single USB Give 2 Audio Input Channells and that The 2 USB Audio Input Channels Follow The XLR Outputs Settings have been added to the Rumble Club Wiki page at the bottom of the Stage & Studio Links section. Those are important points and I'm sure our recordists all appreciate your reporting them.

Thank you again, DROOP, for for these valuable observations. And thank you, @chupacerveza, for calling for these Wiki links.
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[SoulReflection]

Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!

Thanks, @Droopy_TX. A link to your posts stating that the Single USB Give 2 Audio Input Channells and that The 2 USB Audio Input Channels Follow The XLR Outputs Settings have been added to the Rumble Club Wiki page at the bottom of the Stage & Studio Links section. Those are important points and I'm sure our recordists all appreciate your reporting them.

Thank you again, DROOP, for for these valuable observations. And thank you, @chupacerveza, for calling for these Wiki links.
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Good Job, @G-Dog. Thank you for keeping us up to date .

 

[G-Dog]

Fender has released version 3.0.3 of the Fender Tone app for both iOS and Android.
I can't really tell what has has changed; but, it's new and available.

Maybe better bluetooth connectivity??? Not sure.

So, has anyone else upgraded their app? Can you tell what they changed?

I sent an email to Fender support asking for release notes regarding the version changes. They sent me a link to Invalid Link Removed page on the Fender website (and the corresponding Android version of the web page). The problem is this web page doesn't provide any detail on the "point" releases. I asked whether they could provide further detail and the responded, "That is all we have available." Rather disappointing.

So, can anyone tell what's changed?

My update to v3.0.3 on the Android tablet took place automatically on April 24, 2020. However, I was unable to detect any changes.

Ok, so Fender updated the Tone app again yesterday to version 3.0.4.
Still nothing obvious to me regarding what's changed; but, it is running just fine.
So, again, maybe just minor bug fixes, as folks have suggested.

Well, my TONE App updated itself to 3.0.3 but not to 3.0.4. But, I got a notification to upgrade from 3.0.3, so I thought it must be for 3.0.4, right?

Au contraire, mon ami! I just now manually updated from 3.0.3 directly to 3.0.5! Go figure.
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[Droopy_TX]

Well, my TONE App updated itself to 3.0.3 but not to 3.0.4. But, I got a notification to upgrade from 3.0.3, so I thought it must be for 3.0.4, right?

Au contraire, mon ami! I just now manually updated from 3.0.3 directly to 3.0.5! Go figure.
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It's not a race, G!

Looks like my Android device is doing the same. Fender usually keeps the version in sync; but I also know Apple tended to take longer getting updates into the Apple Store.

 

[G-Dog]

It's not a race, G! ... ....

Well, maybe not. But I just couldn't resist the chance to "one up" you, Droo. You're such an astute and diligent scholar of Rumble modeling and I just kinda piddle around with it. This coincidental happenstance of one measly little 0.0.1 on a version number is probably the only way I'll ever "get the scoop on The Droop"!

But, seriously, I really do appreciate your contributions here, very much. And your Droopy_TX Experience portion of the Fender TONE App Support section of the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature, is an priceless resource. Thank you, sir!
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[Droopy_TX]

the only way I'll ever "get the scoop on The Droop"!

That! is hilarious!!! Thanks G-Dog.
I may contribute to the cause somewhat; but, you do the hard work of running this army day in and day out.

 

[iagtrplyr]

That! is hilarious!!! Thanks G-Dog.
I may contribute to the cause somewhat; but, you do the hard work of running this army day in and day out.

Yeah, the Spam he feeds the troops is the best in all of TB!

 

[CaptainKiwi]

Just picked up a Fender Rumble Studio 40 this week. I recently got back in to playing bass after a few on/off years. Loving the amp so far - it's a massive improvement to my old Fender Rumble V2.

I'm looking for some advice on recording with this amp. I have tried recording in to GarageBand through the Rumble's USB out, but when I listen to the recorded track (through AKG K240 II headphones) the tone sounds awful in comparison to what I'm hearing from the amp itself (which sounds great).

Would it be better to record in to an audio interface such as Focusrite?

What kind of settings on the amp are recommended in order to get a good sound out of the USB or XLR outputs?

Any other tips for a complete beginner when it comes to recording?

Thanks!

 

[G-Dog]

Just picked up a Fender Rumble Studio 40 this week. I recently got back in to playing bass after a few on/off years. Loving the amp so far - it's a massive improvement to my old Fender Rumble V2.

I'm looking for some advice on recording with this amp. I have tried recording in to GarageBand through the Rumble's USB out, but when I listen to the recorded track (through AKG K240 II headphones) the tone sounds awful in comparison to what I'm hearing from the amp itself (which sounds great).

Would it be better to record in to an audio interface such as Focusrite?

What kind of settings on the amp are recommended in order to get a good sound out of the USB or XLR outputs?

Any other tips for a complete beginner when it comes to recording?

Thanks!

Welcome to TalkBass, Cap! Please post a pic of your Studio amp in the main Fender Rumble Club thread to join and get a membership number.

For starters see the links about recording at the bottom of the Stage & Studio Links section of the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature. But this is the thread for Stage & Studio specifics. We've had some great discussions about that already, but you may have some new issues to address. In which case I'm sure our members will be glad to help.

Sorry, I've not gotten into recording yet myself. But, I sure know this is the place to come for help when I do! Welcome, again, Kiwi!
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[Droopy_TX]

Just picked up a Fender Rumble Studio 40 this week. I recently got back in to playing bass after a few on/off years. Loving the amp so far - it's a massive improvement to my old Fender Rumble V2.

I'm looking for some advice on recording with this amp. I have tried recording in to GarageBand through the Rumble's USB out, but when I listen to the recorded track (through AKG K240 II headphones) the tone sounds awful in comparison to what I'm hearing from the amp itself (which sounds great).

Would it be better to record in to an audio interface such as Focusrite?

What kind of settings on the amp are recommended in order to get a good sound out of the USB or XLR outputs?

Any other tips for a complete beginner when it comes to recording?

Thanks!

Cap,
I just ran a test where I recorded into GarageBand on my Mac. I am using the Rumble Stage 800, but it works the same as the R40 with regard to USB and XLR outputs (and everything else for that matter except wattage and speaker equipment).

I recorded the first track using input channel 1 on the R800 USB output, and the second track using the Line Out POST port into a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface at line level with the preamp completely off.

The resulting recorded signals were essentially identical; and they sounded the same as the amp with the master set to a nominal level. So, I don't think the answer is switching to an audio interface. I always record my amp using the USB with great results.

Can you tell us more about your setup, and perhaps provide a sample GarageBand project for analysis?

Immediately, I am wondering how you have the LINE OUT settings set on your amp, and which USB inputs you are using (e.g. is the LINE OUT set to STEREO or PRE/POST; What is the USB level set to? Which USB input channel(s) are you recording? etc.)

Oh, and welcome to the club!

P.S. To be clear, the signal from the audio interface is a bit louder than the USB with the USB GAIN set to +6.0dB; but, when the input levels are volume matched, the sound is the same.

 

[Diver]

Just picked up a Fender Rumble Studio 40 this week. I recently got back in to playing bass after a few on/off years. Loving the amp so far - it's a massive improvement to my old Fender Rumble V2.

I'm looking for some advice on recording with this amp. I have tried recording in to GarageBand through the Rumble's USB out, but when I listen to the recorded track (through AKG K240 II headphones) the tone sounds awful in comparison to what I'm hearing from the amp itself (which sounds great).

Would it be better to record in to an audio interface such as Focusrite?

What kind of settings on the amp are recommended in order to get a good sound out of the USB or XLR outputs?

Any other tips for a complete beginner when it comes to recording?

Thanks!

I conducted similar tests with USB and the pre out and I came to the same conclusion as Droopy about the sound on both outputs.

My favorite way of recording now is to use both pre out and post out into my interface, especially when I have effects like distortion on the post signal. That way it gives me options for a better blend mix when editing in the DAW.

 

[CaptainKiwi]

Cap,
I just ran a test where I recorded into GarageBand on my Mac. I am using the Rumble Stage 800, but it works the same as the R40 with regard to USB and XLR outputs (and everything else for that matter except wattage and speaker equipment).

I recorded the first track using input channel 1 on the R800 USB output, and the second track using the Line Out POST port into a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface at line level with the preamp completely off.

The resulting recorded signals were essentially identical; and they sounded the same as the amp with the master set to a nominal level. So, I don't think the answer is switching to an audio interface. I always record my amp using the USB with great results.

Can you tell us more about your setup, and perhaps provide a sample GarageBand project for analysis?

Immediately, I am wondering how you have the LINE OUT settings set on your amp, and which USB inputs you are using (e.g. is the LINE OUT set to STEREO or PRE/POST; What is the USB level set to? Which USB input channel(s) are you recording? etc.)

Oh, and welcome to the club!

P.S. To be clear, the signal from the audio interface is a bit louder than the USB with the USB GAIN set to +6.0dB; but, when the input levels are volume matched, the sound is the same.

Hey, thanks for conducting this test and writing back. The LINE OUT options are at the default settings (GAIN set to default +6.0dB). I also used both USB input 1 and 2 for recording in GarageBand. I've since read some of the posts in this forum and now have a better understanding of the various settings available. From what I understand these are the options below:

Option One.
LINE OUT set to PRE/POST combined with USB input channel 1 - records the POST signal with the amp's modelling/EQ/effects

Option Two.
LINE OUT set to PRE/POST combined with USB input channel 2 - records the PRE signal with no modelling/EQ/effects, resulting in lower volume and clean signal.

Option Three.
LINE OUT set to STEREO combined with either USB input 1 or 2 -
I'm still not clear on what this option achieves compared to the others?
Also is the LINE OUT gain level basically just a volume control for the output?​

The issue I found with option one is that the music playing through AUX also appears in the recorded track. Option two doesn't record any of the AUX music, but also doesn't get the amp's modelling/EQ. It appears the only way to record the POST signal but still be able to play with backing music would be to play it through separate speakers. Or is there another way?

Like I said I'm a complete beginner when it comes to most of this. My experience with bass over the years has been to just plug in and play through a basic practice amp with a 3-band EQ. It is also likely that I'm hearing more of my playing imperfections through the recording than I would through the amp's speaker. I'll have to keep experimenting with recording, but in the mean time I definitely appreciate the help in clarifying some these things.

Thanks!