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Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

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Buzzment said:
Ah ha, thanks Droop,il try that tomorrow.. thanks a lot...
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That worked a treat Droop, thanks..Now..on to my next problem!... Is there a way to hear what I'm playing both from my amp and previous Daw track recordings at the same time without the sound coming from my amp?I have my headphones plugged into my amp..but then I can't hear my previous Daw track recordings while they are playing simultaneously..on the other hand if I plug my headphones into the laptop I can hear both current playing and previous Daw track recordings.. however the sound is coming from the amp obviously due to no headphones connected to it..when I'm recording at night time I don't want load bass noise coming from my amp lol..
Update..I found a solution..I just plugged in a spare headphone jack into the Studio to stop the sound coming from it while I'm playing into the Daw..I have my headphones connected to the laptop and all is fine...
 
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Buzzment said:
That worked a treat Droop, thanks..Now..on to my next problem!... Is there a way to hear what I'm playing both from my amp and previous Daw track recordings at the same time without the sound coming from my amp?I have my headphones plugged into my amp..but then I can't hear my previous Daw track recordings while they are playing simultaneously..on the other hand if I plug my headphones into the laptop I can hear both current playing and previous Daw track recordings.. however the sound is coming from the amp obviously due to no headphones connected to it..when I'm recording at night time I don't want load bass noise coming from my amp lol
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The Master volume knob on the Rumble Stage/Studio amps has no effect on the level of the sound going into the DAW via either the USB or the XLR outputs. You can turn the amp down completely, and still record. I never record with my amp volume on, because I want to hear the other tracks (drums, click, etc.) while recording.

Your headphones either should be plugged directly into your computer, or into the headphone jack of your audio interface if you use an audio interface to run external speakers on your computer. In either case, there should be a switch on the track that tells the DAW you want to “monitor” the audio of that track for recording purposes. I have not used Cakewalk in a long while, so I am not sure where it is or what it’s called, but it is usually called something like “input monitoring”. You also need to tell the DAW the output device to which you want to send the audio. If you’re plugging into the the headphone jack on the computer, it’s usually something like “built-in audio” or whatever your sound card in your computer is called. If you are plugging the headphones into an audio interface for monitoring, it’s going to be the audio device/driver name.

Also, if you’re monitoring through an audio interface, you need to set the audio interface to the proper monitoring setting. Most audio interfaces have a feature they call “zero latency monitoring”. What is really does is allow you to mix (pan, actually) between the sound coming into the audio interface from your amp, and the audio coming from the DAW. If you have really bad round-trip latency between your DAW and audio interface, this can sometimes be helpful; but, for most new users, it’s nothing but confusing. Also, in your case, since you are using the USB output on the amp, the amp signal is not actually coming in through the audio interface; so, using it to monitor (versus the computer headphone) is optional; but, I do it that way so I am setup the same way when I use my audio interface to record vocal using an XLR mic.

Most of the time, with newer computers and audio interfaces, latency is caused by plugins that require a lot of digital signal processing (DSP) which, understandably, takes time (many milliseconds) to do. If this is the case, simply disable the demanding plugins while tracking; then enable them for playback/mix down. Using the above approach, I always set audio interface so I am monitoring (100%) only the sound coming from the computer/DAW. If the “input monitoring” for the track being recorded is setup properly, you will hear both the other tracks and the incoming amp signal being recorded. I should also add that you should set the volume controls on the audio interface so that only the headphones are turned up. Note: Some audio interface don’t have separate speaker and headphones volumes; so you may need to disable or disconnect your external speakers while recording.

So, monitoring from the computer or audio interface with “input monitoring” enabled (and external speakers off) as described above will text allow you turn down your amp master volume, to monitor backing tracks/metronome, and to hear the new track being recorded all through your headphones so can record without disturbing those around you.

Hope this helps.
 
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Droopy_TX said:
The Master volume knob on the Rumble Stage/Studio amps has no effect on the level of the sound going into the DAW via either the USB or the XLR outputs. You can turn the amp down completely, and still record. I never record with my amp volume on, because I want to hear the other tracks (drums, click, etc.) while recording.

Your headphones either should be plugged directly into your computer, or into the headphone jack of your audio interface if you use an audio interface to run external speakers on your computer. In either case, there should be a switch on the track that tells the DAW you want to “monitor” the audio of that track for recording purposes. I have not used Cakewalk in a long while, so I am not sure where it is or what it’s called, but it is usually called something like “input monitoring”. You also need to tell the DAW the output device to which you want to send the audio. If you’re plugging into the the headphone jack on the computer, it’s usually something like “built-in audio” or whatever your sound card in your computer is called. If you are plugging the headphones into an audio interface for monitoring, it’s going to be the audio device/driver name.

Also, if you’re monitoring through an audio interface, you need to set the audio interface to the proper monitoring setting. Most audio interfaces have a feature they call “zero latency monitoring”. What is really does is allow you to mix (pan, actually) between the sound coming into the audio interface from your amp, and the audio coming from the DAW. If you have really bad round-trip latency between your DAW and audio interface, this can sometimes be helpful; but, for most new users, it’s nothing but confusing. Also, in your case, since you are using the USB output on the amp, the amp signal is not actually coming in through the audio interface; so, using it to monitor (versus the computer headphone) is optional; but, I do it that way so I am setup the same way when I use my audio interface to record vocal using an XLR mic.

Most of the time, with newer computers and audio interfaces, latency is caused by plugins that require a lot of digital signal processing (DSP) which, understandably, takes time (many milliseconds) to do. If this is the case, simply disable the demanding plugins while tracking; then enable them for playback/mix down. Using the above approach, I always set audio interface so I am monitoring (100%) only the sound coming from the computer/DAW. If the “input monitoring” for the track being recorded is setup properly, you will hear both the other tracks and the incoming amp signal being recorded. I should also add that you should set the volume controls on the audio interface so that only the headphones are turned up. Note: Some audio interface don’t have separate speaker and headphones volumes; so you may need to disable or disconnect your external speakers while recording.

So, monitoring from the computer or audio interface with “input monitoring” enabled (and external speakers off) as described above will text allow you turn down your amp master volume, to monitor backing tracks/metronome, and to hear the new track being recorded all through your headphones so can record without disturbing those around you.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks Droop,yes I knew about the monitoring funny enough but I never thought of just turning the master volume down on the 40 dooh!!.. Actually as you touched on latency,There is a slight bit of it while I'm playing.. I'm not using an audio interface, just the studio's usb straight to the computer..I put the latency to the lowest setting it can go (10) in Studio One Daw..it has helped but it's still there slightly..I'm guessing that's the best IL get?.... Another problem I am having is clipping in the Daw when I have my C4 synth pedal on..I'm stopping it by lowering the level in the track but it has to be pretty low to stop the clipping.. I can barely hear it..Sometimes I have to increase the volume on the track so much to get the C4 sound that it is extremely loud from no sound at all in an instant..maybe it's because of the volume I'm saving the C4 patches at..I may try a couple of other Daws to see although I'd like to settle on one Daw to start to really start the learning curve of it..Kinda sick of changing DAWs every few hours lol
 

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Buzzment said:
Thanks Droop,yes I knew about the monitoring funny enough but I never thought of just turning the master volume down on the 40 dooh!!.. Actually as you touched on latency,There is a slight bit of it while I'm playing.. I'm not using an audio interface, just the studio's usb straight to the computer..I put the latency to the lowest setting it can go (10) in Studio One Daw..it has helped but it's still there slightly..I'm guessing that's the best IL get?.... Another problem I am having is clipping in the Daw when I have my C4 synth pedal on..I'm stopping it by lowering the level in the track but it has to be pretty low to stop the clipping.. I can barely hear it..Sometimes I have to increase the volume on the track so much to get the C4 sound that it is extremely loud from no sound at all in an instant..maybe it's because of the volume I'm saving the C4 patches at..I may try a couple of other Daws to see although I'd like to settle on one Daw to start to really start the learning curve of it..Kinda sick of changing DAWs every few hours lol
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Honestly, I am not that familiar anymore with setting the latency and buffer parameters for audio drivers in Windows. I mentioned I used to use Cakewalk; but, that was on Windows back around 2007-2010. Tweaking the ASIO drivers for optimal performance was an ongoing struggle. I know it is better now; but it was the main reason I started using a Mac. I never really had to mess with the buffer settings. (I know it's a dumber approach, but it was much simpler; and the Mac Mini was a loaner from my brother. ;))

My current round trip latency is about 7.9ms. I don't have any problems tracking with that latency. If I am reading you screenshot correctly, and you're getting around 10ms, I have to think that's workable. As I mentioned, though, I try to make sure I don't use any heavy plugins until I'm done tracking.

Over the years, I have used a number of DAWs: Cakewalk/Sonar, Logic, Ableton, ProTools, Auria, and I've helped folks using Studio One. In my opinion they are all very similar. Each has its own particular best features and deficiencies. I think once you get all your hardware concerns ironed out, you will be able to settle on the one that best fits your workflow. I settled on Logic because 1) once you've bought into it on the Mac, its pretty much free to keep current; and 2) in addition to being a full-featured audio DAW, it excels at MIDI. I do a lot of MIDI work in addition to audio recording.

Regarding your levels with the C4: What is your signal path / hardware chain (order)?

Some things to try:
  • You can configure the USB audio output signal level being sent to the DAW. On the amp front panel, press MENU; select EQ & AMP SETTINGS; then select LINE OUT/USB GAIN. You can change this setting from +0 dB to +20.0 dB. I think the default setting is +6.0 dB; so, you may be able to reduce it.
  • You could try adding the Studio One Mixtool plugin to your track to use reduce the Gain of the incoming signal. This may work better than the USB output level on the amp; because you can actually attenuate the signal quite a lot (as opposed to just not boosting it).
Hope this helps.
 
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Droopy_TX said:
Honestly, I am not that familiar anymore with setting the latency and buffer parameters for audio drivers in Windows. I mentioned I used to use Cakewalk; but, that was on Windows back around 2007-2010. Tweaking the ASIO drivers for optimal performance was an ongoing struggle. I know it is better now; but it was the main reason I started using a Mac. I never really had to mess with the buffer settings. (I know it's a dumber approach, but it was much simpler; and the Mac Mini was a loaner from my brother. ;))

My current round trip latency is about 7.9ms. I don't have any problems tracking with that latency. If I am reading you screenshot correctly, and you're getting around 10ms, I have to think that's workable. As I mentioned, though, I try to make sure I don't use any heavy plugins until I'm done tracking.

Over the years, I have used a number of DAWs: Cakewalk/Sonar, Logic, Ableton, ProTools, Auria, and I've helped folks using Studio One. In my opinion they are all very similar. Each has its own particular best features and deficiencies. I think once you get all your hardware concerns ironed out, you will be able to settle on the one that best fits your workflow. I settled on Logic because 1) once you've bought into it on the Mac, its pretty much free to keep current; and 2) in addition to being a full-featured audio DAW, it excels at MIDI. I do a lot of MIDI work in addition to audio recording.

Regarding your levels with the C4: What is your signal path / hardware chain (order)?

Some things to try:
  • You can configure the USB audio output signal level being sent to the DAW. On the amp front panel, press MENU; select EQ & AMP SETTINGS; then select LINE OUT/USB GAIN. You can change this setting from +0 dB to +20.0 dB. I think the default setting is +6.0 dB; so, you may be able to reduce it.
  • You could try adding the Studio One Mixtool plugin to your track to use reduce the Gain of the incoming signal. This may work better than the USB output level on the amp; because you can actually attenuate the signal quite a lot (as opposed to just not boosting it).
Hope this helps.
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Oh yes I remember now about the usb audio input on the amp..il try that..I do feel it has something to do with the master volume of my C4 patches being too high though.. although when saving them I tried to keep the transition as smooth as possible going into them from a clean bass tone volume wise.. incidentally my clean bass tone is not clipping at all even at high enough volumes..
In regards to mixtool,the free version of Studio 1 prime doesn't have it.. Actually I'm trying Waveform now to see how that feels and works!!I wonder which Daw will get my full attention soon he he...
 
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ChickWithaRic said:
I'd just be super happy if I could get my LT25 to talk to my laptop AT ALL via USB. Fender recommends installing ASIO4ALL, which I did, and... nada. The laptop knows it's there, and is perfectly happy to communicate with it via the Fender Tone App, it just doesn't doesn't make noises.
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As I indicated, I am somewhat familiar with ASIO drivers. I have used them before, but I don't currently connect any audio hardware to my Windows 10 virtual machine.

I have to think, if you're able to communicate with the amp over USB with the PC Tone app, that the cable is good.

Is the Rumble being recognized and listed in the ASIO driver control panel? Which DAW are you trying to run it into? Is the DAW seeing the ASIO drivers and devices? Is the Rumble set as your audio input device in the DAW? If the answer to all this is "Yes.": Is the destination in the DAW track set to record and to be monitored?
 
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ChickWithaRic said:
I'd just be super happy if I could get my LT25 to talk to my laptop AT ALL via USB. Fender recommends installing ASIO4ALL, which I did, and... nada. The laptop knows it's there, and is perfectly happy to communicate with it via the Fender Tone App, it just doesn't doesn't make noises.
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Seems to me that I had a similar problem when I was hooking up my Studio 40 to Reaper in Windows. I had to go into Audio Settings and make sure the ASIO was enabled or I couldn't hear anything. Just a thought...
 
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Droopy_TX said:
FYI: New iOS rev (3.1.5) of Fender Tone app released today.
Says they improved app performance and BlueTooth interaction. Also, bug fixes regarding: restoring backups; display of amp with EQs; replacement of amps and effects; UI issues; and other minor issues.

It's working okay for me.
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Thanks for the heads up, Droo!

When I checked, my android phone had Version 3.1.7 already, but my android tablet had Version 3.1.5 instead. So, I went to Invalid Link Removed and scrolled dow to the "Download Mobile" section, where I clicked the "Download Android" button that took me to the Google Play Android App Store with the Fender Tone App ready to "Update". But, when I clicked the "Update" button the indicator just kept spining, spinning, spinning for a few minutes before a pop-up said something like "Play cannot update this app ..."! That's when I remembered I hadn't closed the Tone App! :rollno: After closing it, the update to Version 3.1.7 went quick and smoothly. :)

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G-Dog said:
Hmmm ... Perhaps all the various makes and models of androids use their own versions.

Remember, Droopy_TX said 3.1.5 is the current latest for Apple. Maybe my, fairly old, phone and cheap-o tablet needed an extra tweak on top of the .5 version. I dunno.
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It also doesn’t seem like there is ever necessarily an alignment between version numbers of the iOS and Android releases. They have always seemed to be versioned independently.
 
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Heavy Blue said:
Nice G on adding the links to the wiki. Ty!:thumbsup:

So this afternoon, I took it back to the store and explained the situation to the gent who rented it to me. He then went online and I believe called the Fender rep and they got it sorted out.

We quickly and seamlessly updated the firmware and transferred the tone patches using the PC desktop app via the USB to micro USB cable which is hooked up prior to turning the LT on.:thumbsup:

We still don’t know if the phone/tablet apps will work or not. I kind of doubt it.o_O

Either way. With that issue taken care of and now that we know that the amp is in good order I then decided to buy it. The dealer also took the rental cost out of the price too so a double win and a NAD for me lol.

So after having 2-3 month rentals of the Studio 40 & Rumble 100 but never could quite pull the trigger on them I’m now the proud owner of a Rumble LT25.:)

As it is with its stablemate the Bassman 25. It’s a nifty little amp with a tone bigger than its humble wattage and 8” speaker would suggest.

The cleaner presets such as the Studio Clean and Rumble sound very nice for a core tone. Then there’s the cornucopia of options for tweaking from there. Fun stuff!

It’s somewhat a bit limited in flexibility compared to the Studio/Stage series in that you can’t juggle the order of effects but or put multiples of a given type of pedal in the chain but otoh this lessens the time spent in tweaker’s limbo too. Fwiw there’s also no DI or effects loop either. I have no need for them here.

The only complaint I have irt the available patches is that there isn’t a proper envelope filter to be had which is hugely disappointing as I loved using them on the Studio. It also seems kind of pointless to only have one EQ available for the EQ pedal too. Now I just need a footswitch and another very portable but inexpensive device that will run the Tone Desktop App as I guess the regular Fender Tone app doesn’t work with the LT25 and I don’t want to be messing around on my son’s PC either.

Regardless, it’s a blast to use and imo a very good bang for the buck. Highly recommended so far. Very very happy with it.:D:thumbsup:

So do I get a Rumble club member number now finally at long last?

Also, Pics or it didn’t happen...






Yeah, a palace my place isn’t but at least it’s paid for and things are getting better again for the economy and such so repairs are coming soon. Calling the plumber today actually to get that end of things taken care of. It’s been a rough stretch but things are looking up.:)
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Yo, Heavy! How's the LT25 treating you these days?

Please try again to post a pic, or two, of your Rumble in the main Fender Rumble Club here so we can get you an official membership number.
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mike roman said:
I own LT 25 i have Squire Jazz bass with Rotosounds.....where is a good starting point (which number on the effects menu) to emulate RUSH and YES bass tone.Thanks
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Mike, you've asked this question before and received some answers. Didn't any of them help?

Which settings have you tried that came closest? What is lacking from those? Please describe.
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Hi fellow players, I own a Fender Rumble LT25 with a Squire Jazz Bass with Rotosounds,im trying to achieve Geddy.Lee and Chris Squire bass tone that being said, what are some of your recommended effects settings (numbers on amp) along with compression and EQ settings ? I know i'll never get dead on there sound alot is in there hands.....just wanna get close.....while were on settings how about John Entwistle's tone what would be his recommended settings....then i'll tweak all 3 in and hit SAVE....the manual dont say much pretty sure the LT40 Studio has a "Roundabout" setting the LT 25 does not. Thank You Very Much.
 

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