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Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

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Did a few tests last night with the info LeMaartien pointed me towards on making the Rumble V3 amp "flat". Would need a scope to see if 10-2-2-10 is truly flat, but it sounds so to my ears! Does this mean the modeling is that accurate? Cool :cool:.

First step was to copy the preset, then I settled on 4.0-6.5-6.5-4.0 (the virtual knob and actual knob couldn't agree on the time, lol). Flipping back and forth between the presets it was the bass that was noticeably tighter/punchier at 4.0. YMMV but I liked that direction. Soooooooo much to learn!

The real reason for the post is to ask about Cab simulation. I don't get it. It's probably my lack of understanding but what would be the reasoning behind it? A 10" is always going to sound like a 10" right? Putting any emulation in the signal chain is just going to color the tone a bit but it's always the same speaker. Please don't jump all over me, I'm just writing it out plainly in condensed format so it's readable, but I am interested to get this and am looking for the wisdom :)
I added and took out different cabs but always prefer the tone with it off. Probably just me!
 
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pilmat said:
Did a few tests last night with the info LeMaartien pointed me towards on making the Rumble V3 amp "flat". Would need a scope to see if 10-2-2-10 is truly flat, but it sounds so to my ears! Does this mean the modeling is that accurate? Cool :cool: ... ... ...
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Yep, Phil. I wouldn't doubt that the modeling is just that accurate. That kind of detail just goes along with the differences (sometimes subtle) in modeling the different brands and types of amps, IMO. :thumbsup:​

pilmat said:
... ... ... First step was to copy the preset, then I settled on 4.0-6.5-6.5-4.0 (the virtual knob and actual knob couldn't agree on the time, lol). Flipping back and forth between the presets it was the bass that was noticeably tighter/punchier at 4.0. YMMV but I liked that direction. Soooooooo much to learn! ... ... ...
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Sounds like a reasonable approach. It's amazing how many people don't understand that lowering the bass can really tighten up the tone.​

pilmat said:
... ... ... The real reason for the post is to ask about Cab simulation. I don't get it. It's probably my lack of understanding but what would be the reasoning behind it? A 10" is always going to sound like a 10" right? Putting any emulation in the signal chain is just going to color the tone a bit but it's always the same speaker. Please don't jump all over me, I'm just writing it out plainly in condensed format so it's readable, but I am interested to get this and am looking for the wisdom :)
I added and took out different cabs but always prefer the tone with it off. Probably just me!
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A. Cab sim is most necessary when the signal doesn’t go through any physical speakers. Even the non-modeling Rumbles have a cab sim on the XLR Out and the Headphone Out.

2. No, a 10"/ 15"/whatever does not always sound like a 10"/15"/whatever! At least, not these days. That may have been more true in the early days of amplification, when basic sound was the goal. But high fidelity advances have made tremendous strides since then. Yet the myth is still with us.

iii. That is not to say the Rumble speakers are the most hi-fi FRFR drivers, they're not. I even asked that question when the Stage & Studio were first announced and @tombowlus of Bass Gear Magazine confirmed with Fender that the Stage & Studio have the exact same speakers as the Rumble 500 combo and Rumble 40, respectively. And, remember, this is the value line of amps, not the premium line. Therefore, I believe the models have taken these particular speakers into account. ;)
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Lots of differences between speakers. Cone material. Cone construction. Magnet type. Size of magnet (response time). Lots of differences between cabs. Front ported. Rear ported. Not ported. Open back. Cab design. Internal padding, or lack thereof. That's why there are so many IR (Impulse Response) packs available for cab sim apps. IRs are audio files captured from mic'd cabs.

There's a difference between the Rumble 40 and Studio 40 cabs. The Studio 40 includes a tweeter that the regular 40 doesn't have.
 
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Deleted member 268085 said:
Lots of differences between speakers. Cone material. Cone construction. Magnet type. Size of magnet (response time). Lots of differences between cabs. Front ported. Rear ported. Not ported. Open back. Cab design. Internal padding, or lack thereof. That's why there are so many IR (Impulse Response) packs available for cab sim apps. IRs are audio files captured from mic'd cabs.

There's a difference between the Rumble 40 and Studio 40 cabs. The Studio 40 includes a tweeter that the regular 40 doesn't have.
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As much as I loved my Studio 40, I wasn't using it and posted it in the Classifieds. I found my low-wattage solution in an Ampeg PF-20T (sorry)...
 
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SoulReflection said:
As much as I loved my Studio 40, I wasn't using it and posted it in the Classifieds. I found my low-wattage solution in an Ampeg PF-20T (sorry)...
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Blasphemy! (hope the new amp does all you need it to.)

Since I use my Studio 40 at home and my Stage 800 with the band, the Studio allows me to play around with tones, etc. in advance of rehearsals.
 
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RL5 said:
Blasphemy! (hope the new amp does all you need it to.)

Since I use my Studio 40 at home and my Stage 800 with the band, the Studio allows me to play around with tones, etc. in advance of rehearsals.
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Ha, yes, blasphemy! But I am a GOF stuck in the '60s with only one tone in my old head :headphone:.

I do respect those who play different genres and believe the Stage/Studio was built for them:bassist:.
 
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SoulReflection said:
Ha, yes, blasphemy! But I am a GOF stuck in the '60s with only one tone in my old head :headphone:.

I do respect those who play different genres and believe the Stage/Studio was built for them:bassist:.
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I'm not too far ahead of you, but have certain bass player tones from the 70's (primarily) that I enjoy and try to emulate, to an extent, for various songs. And the band I'm with is playing or working on a wide variety of music from the late '60s through nearly the present. Since I'm merely an adequate bass player, I chase tones to compensate for my lack of competency.
 
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RL5 said:
I'm not too far ahead of you, but have certain bass player tones from the 70's (primarily) that I enjoy and try to emulate, to an extent, for various songs. And the band I'm with is playing or working on a wide variety of music from the late '60s through nearly the present. Since I'm merely an adequate bass player, I chase tones to compensate for my lack of competency.
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But you're gigging! :thumbsup::bassist:
 
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pilmat said:
Tone App update 3.2.0 available on Apple!

I saw that it was out on Android in March, but this morning it appears on my iOS update list.

Is there anything interesting in it? I'll check it out tonight in practice.
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Appears there have been ongoing app crashes.

Release notes:
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Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!

Hear ye! Hear ye! [Yet Again! Still Another time!] Yes, again, another of all these articles naming Rumbles as "Best Amp" has again been added to your Rumble Club Wiki page at the bottom of the Rumble V3 Reviews section. Rumbles took the top spot in the best bass amps under $200 and 2 of the 7 best bass combos under $1000 (including the top spot)!

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Hopefully this will help some bass combo shoppers! :thumbsup:

Rumble On!​
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Question for more experienced S40/S800 users: is there an effect to lower single coil hum? I have a new bass that is quite bad, Bronco with the stock pup. There is a bunch of stuff I need to do with the bass like shielding and so forth, not to mention looking for the culprit in my place. But some presets really amplify the hum. Is there ways within the effects or other to lower it? Just curious as I dive into the freely rabbit hole of trying to cure this unwanted parasite.
 
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pilmat said:
Question for more experienced S40/S800 users: is there an effect to lower single coil hum? I have a new bass that is quite bad, Bronco with the stock pup. There is a bunch of stuff I need to do with the bass like shielding and so forth, not to mention looking for the culprit in my place. But some presets really amplify the hum. Is there ways within the effects or other to lower it? Just curious as I dive into the freely rabbit hole of trying to cure this unwanted parasite.
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I'm also interested in the responses, as I've noticed that same issue with my G&L JB. Seems particularly pronounced when Overdrive is incorporate into the amp model.
 
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There is this effect that I did not try yet:

Metal Gate: Inspired by the ISP Technologies Decimator II G String pedal (Noise Reduction Pedal). Especially ideal for high-gain metal, with a very fast attenuation curve. Version 2.0.11 (October 2, 2018) Changed Default threshold for Metal Gate.

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In the end, the hum seems to have come from a poorly grounded pick guard. Simply taking it off, wiping the dust off and putting it back together sorted out the hum.

Side note, when trying the bass before getting it, I played to through a 40c. Then when home on my S40, I was very happy with the tone improvement :) After the initial learning on the S40, I can gladly say the expanded tones are SOOOOO worth the extra $.

Rumble on!
 
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