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Fodera Club Part XI

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That is an interesting spec. I have to admit as my hands get older the prospect of smaller scales gets more attractive. The new Deep 4 is 34" scale but plays very short. Not sure that the Deep 5 @ 35" scale will get a lot of playing time.

If the MGS proves to be the comfort king...well, let's just say, "hmmm."

If you do it right and dont play downtunings, I guess 33" is ok and very comfortable. The standard 34" is a kind of arbitrary "standard" scale, anyway. Maybe more and more people will choose the 33" scale.

There are custom basses that come with a shortscale neck (Alembics for example) but have the bridge set up in a way that the first fret is as much far away from you on a 32" scale than on a regular set bridge with 34".

I guess the 33" Fodera is a joy to play... :bassist:
 
I could see a big difference in an upright, but very, very little as a top on one of our electrics, so go with what you love. NOT saying that there would not be a difference if you were comparing an Ebony top to a Buckeye top on one of ours basses, but the difference between Claro and Eastern would be too small to worry about...

J
from ken smith forum
“Claro Walnut is a pedigree species from Northern California BUT, the species are often integrated for the 'Nut' industry by cross breeding with Top and Root grafts. Currently when buying Claro, anything bought from the west coast is called 'Claro' but is not necessarily a pedigree or even a mix with any real Claro in it. It is just grown in Calif.

Crotch Walnut is NOT a species. It is the Crotch area where two branches meet and put downward pressure during its growth often resulting in unusual figure from nature. In our Black Tiger series Basses, we take the Crotches from Black Walnut Logs. WE also see some Crotch figuring in Claro pieces if they are big enough and cut near a Crotch. To obtain the best figure patterns in Walnut, it must be cut from the log a certain way. This I am sorry to say I will not share with you but will say that commercial cutting styles do not yield the best or most possible figures from a particular log. It's a specialty kind of thing.

AS far as Black Walnut itself goes as a Species, it is mixed as well with English Walnut and other Species here in the Eastern States.

Figure and Tone are somewhat related. The Figure cause from the growth of the Tree results in more fibers or Molecules being pressed together resulting in wavy grain patterns, Flame figuring and various figures from the Crotch area regardless of the Species or hybrid species from the East or West Coast or anything in between. The more compressed the wood it, the heavier it is in weight. In Walnut, I see this as slightly brighter sounding. I am talking about Walnut topped models as we would never make a solid body in figured Walnut due to its rarity and expense.

Is there a difference in tone between west (Claros) or east (Blacks) walnuts? Maybe, but with all the other woods mixed to make a Bass, who is to say exactly which piece is changing the tone?”
 
from ken smith forum
“Claro Walnut . . .”

Thanks for the walnut info from the walnut king himself!

I had on of his Black Tiger fretless Presentation 5's. Probably the most beautiful bass I ever owned but I didn't like the way it sounded much, but I don't think that had much to do with the walnut top. Too much going on in it to know much of how anything effects it, actually.

Like Jason said, though, considering I'm just thinking of some kind of figured walnut top there's probably not going to be much impact of one piece of walnut vs another compared to the rest of the tone woods.
 
Robin Ruscio said:
Thanks for the walnut info from the walnut king himself!

I had on of his Black Tiger fretless Presentation 5's. Probably the most beautiful bass I ever owned but I didn't like the way it sounded much, but I don't think that had much to do with the walnut top. Too much going on in it to know much of how anything effects it, actually.

Like Jason said, though, considering I'm just thinking of some kind of figured walnut top there's probably not going to be much impact of one piece of walnut vs another compared to the rest of the tone woods.

+1 on the sound of the Ken Smiths. I had a black tiger 4. Beautiful bass, played great and was very light. I just couldn't dial the tone in. That's one reason im a Fodera fan now. Everything the KS had plus the best versatile tone I have found.
 
This is basically correct. We only really have one good top left for a solid Chestnut top...and it would really only work for a small bodied instrument (Monarch or Garrison). It's not burly or anything, just kind of straight grained "red, white and blue"-style Chestnut.

There are still 3 or 4 stunning ones left to be built that were ordered some time ago...

J

Hi Jason,
I read from fodera website saying there will be no more solid chestnut top for future basses. Is it correct?
 
BUMMER -- I have a big charity event that I host tomorrow night in New Jersey that will have me leaving the shop before your arrive. Enjoy and I hope that our paths cross real soon...

Regards,

Jason

On my way to NYC as we speak. Took delivery of my first fodera last Friday, and I'm scheduled for a visit at the shop tomorrow afternoon! Very cool week if you ask me!

Grady
 
Just Thumpin' said:
BUMMER -- I have a big charity event that I host tomorrow night in New Jersey that will have me leaving the shop before your arrive. Enjoy and I hope that our paths cross real soon...

Regards,

Jason

Ah, that is a bummer, Jason. I hope the event goes well, and I'm sure we will be in contact. I still have imperial dreams and am only a couple hours north of you guys!

Grady
 
Seems to be some misinformation flowing through the "grapevine." I (as a Partner) pay 30% off List when I buy an instrument (same thing for Joey and Vinny). I would consider the three of us to be very good friends of the Company. Some of our very, very top Endorsers also get this kind of a discount -- people that do some major good for our brand by being out there with our instruments in very public gigs and are monster players at the very top of their game. This (30%) also happens to be our Dealer Discount for Custom instruments (the top level Endorser Discount and Dealer Discount on Standards is just 15%).

Obviously this is a LOT more information than most manufacturers openly divulge, but some of the misinformation and hearsay that floats around really frustrates me and I'd rather have it all be "out there," if it must be, but have it be real...

i heard through the grapevine the fodera discount for friends is 30%!!!

nice discount for sure...!
 
It's for a really worthy cause...it's for a charity (Jazz House Kids) that helps provide children with access to some amazing educational opportunity related to playing Jazz...

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Regards,

J

Ah, that is a bummer, Jason. I hope the event goes well, and I'm sure we will be in contact. I still have imperial dreams and am only a couple hours north of you guys!

Grady
 
Seems to be some misinformation flowing through the "grapevine." I (as a Partner) pay 30% off List when I buy an instrument (same thing for Joey and Vinny). I would consider the three of us to be very good friends of the Company. Some of our very, very top Endorsers also get this kind of a discount as well -- people that have something major to offer the brand by being out there with our instruments in very public gigs and are monster players at the very top of their game. This (30%) also happens to be our Dealer Discount for Custom instruments (the top level Endorser Discount and Dealer Discount on Standards is just 15%).

Obviously this is a LOT more information than most manufacturers openly divulge, but some of the misinformation and hearsay that floats around really frustrates me and I'd rather have it all be "out there," if it must be, but have it be real...

WOW! That is very gracious of you to put that out there...I guess that will answer any questions anyone might have about your pricing structure. For what it's worth I used to get 50% off retail on my Warwicks, Spectors, and Laklands when I was endorsing them (years ago!). Despite buying 29 Sadowskys I never asked for nor received any discount of any kind and never expected one despite my patronage there. I think Roger may have thrown in a set or 2 of strings over the years but I have bought a LOT of strings from them over several years. I am about to ship out one of the last 2 Spectors I own currently and have several bites on the other one I have listed in the For Sales here. I no longer own any Warwicks or Laklands and I have 3 Sadowskys left and would love to have at least one more. I am a dyed in the wool fanatic about Musicman and own 2 SR5's currently. I NEVER even considered asking for an artist deal with them as I think their price for what you get is INSANE!! I get very good discounts on them from Bass Central and GC Pro as it is and never felt that they were overpriced at all. (BUT..I would LOVE to have Fodera make me a Fodera Ray 4 AND 5!!) However, with all that said, I play my YYS49 as my main 4 string and would love to have another Fodera or 2 (or 6) in my future!! I do not mind paying the cost of admission to own such a fabulous instrument and never even thought to question the pricing structure or the costs associated with owning a Fodera. In my opinion they are simply some of if not THE the best instruments that money can buy at ANY price!! Even though my experience in the past with Fodera did not work out over the long haul, I always appreciated the craftsmanship and the dedication that the crew had for the product and the process of ownership. When I heard about the YYS model I saw it as an opportunity to give Fodera another chance to knock my socks off and you delivered in spades!!! I could not be happier with my YYS and everyone who has played her has been blown away. One of my friends who recently played with Bela Fleck (a young prodigy here in the Wilmington, NC area named Taylor Lee) played her a few weeks ago and called it a LIFECHANGING experience...I totally agree! I take my hat off to you for your honesty and enthusiasm here and I appreciate that you so freely give of your time the way you do. I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for the skill and dedication that it takes to produce the instruments that you and the staff at Fodera continue to put out. I am excited and honored to be a Fodera owner and consider myself to be another member of the Fodera family for life now. Thank you and please pass along my sentiments to EVERYONE at the shop for me. I think during my purchase process through Donovan at Fretspot.com (AMAZING customer service!!!) I spoke to everyone there at Fodera except you and Vinny and was treated with professionalism and concern for my needs by everyone there. I applaud you all! Many thanks to you all for doing what you do!

Peace,

T
 
you have bought 29 !!! Sadowskys ???? :eek:

Indeed I have! LOL! It is an illness I know...it is Terminal but not deadly (yet my wife may kill me before it is all over with!) I have bought many instruments from many builders over the years including about 60 Laklands, 26 Spectors, 34 Warwicks, and 5 Allevas....SOLD them all and could have bought a really nice condo for what I lost over the years but I had the experience and LOVED every minute of it. All told I have owned about 1,100 different basses and guitars over the past 35 years. Loved a lot of them, hated even more of them and enjoyed the time I had with ALL of them...Currently gassing for another Alleva Supreme, NYC Sadowsky, and of course a few Foderas!! We will see what I actually wind up with. I currently have the fewest instruments I have ever owned at one time in my life and find it to be liberating! I LOVE to play and I love to try a lot of different things obviously. The people who know me are always asking me what did I get THIS week....LOL! I love it!

Peace,

T
 
I currently have the fewest instruments I have ever owned at one time in my life and find it to be liberating! I LOVE to play and I love to try a lot of different things obviously. The people who know me are always asking me what did I get THIS week....LOL! I love it!

fwiw my churn has been heavy over the past 2+ years but now has pretty much stopped at Fodera and Rob Allen. Everything else came and went (or is going).

And it is as much as the people behind the instruments as the basses themselves...
 
Man, thanks so much for the very, very kind words. I am sorry that we have not spoken personally, but I have no doubt that one day we will! Keep grooving on that YYS!

BTW, one further clarification...not counting me and the folks with pictures on this page of our website...

Fodera Artists: Victor Wooten

fewer than 5 people were offered for an Endorser Discount with us in 2011...


Cheers,

J

WOW! That is very gracious of you to put that out there...I guess that will answer any questions anyone might have about your pricing structure. For what it's worth I used to get 50% off retail on my Warwicks, Spectors, and Laklands when I was endorsing them (years ago!). Despite buying 29 Sadowskys I never asked for nor received any discount of any kind and never expected one despite my patronage there. I think Roger may have thrown in a set or 2 of strings over the years but I have bought a LOT of strings from them over several years. I am about to ship out one of the last 2 Spectors I own currently and have several bites on the other one I have listed in the For Sales here. I no longer own any Warwicks or Laklands and I have 3 Sadowskys left and would love to have at least one more. I am a dyed in the wool fanatic about Musicman and own 2 SR5's currently. I NEVER even considered asking for an artist deal with them as I think their price for what you get is INSANE!! I get very good discounts on them from Bass Central and GC Pro as it is and never felt that they were overpriced at all. (BUT..I would LOVE to have Fodera make me a Fodera Ray 4 AND 5!!) However, with all that said, I play my YYS49 as my main 4 string and would love to have another Fodera or 2 (or 6) in my future!! I do not mind paying the cost of admission to own such a fabulous instrument and never even thought to question the pricing structure or the costs associated with owning a Fodera. In my opinion they are simply some of if not THE the best instruments that money can buy at ANY price!! Even though my experience in the past with Fodera did not work out over the long haul, I always appreciated the craftsmanship and the dedication that the crew had for the product and the process of ownership. When I heard about the YYS model I saw it as an opportunity to give Fodera another chance to knock my socks off and you delivered in spades!!! I could not be happier with my YYS and everyone who has played her has been blown away. One of my friends who recently played with Bela Fleck (a young prodigy here in the Wilmington, NC area named Taylor Lee) played her a few weeks ago and called it a LIFECHANGING experience...I totally agree! I take my hat off to you for your honesty and enthusiasm here and I appreciate that you so freely give of your time the way you do. I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for the skill and dedication that it takes to produce the instruments that you and the staff at Fodera continue to put out. I am excited and honored to be a Fodera owner and consider myself to be another member of the Fodera family for life now. Thank you and please pass along my sentiments to EVERYONE at the shop for me. I think during my purchase process through Donovan at Fretspot.com (AMAZING customer service!!!) I spoke to everyone there at Fodera except you and Vinny and was treated with professionalism and concern for my needs by everyone there. I applaud you all! Many thanks to you all for doing what you do!

Peace,

T
 
It's the only picture i could find... but according to what was with it... it's supposed to be a fodera with wal pick ups and pre amp...

I have to admit it seems weird.. so fodera experts (or even Jason) will say if it's legit or not....

but either way :) worse to worse , just a cool picture :)

cheers
 

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It's the only picture i could find... but according to what was with it... it's supposed to be a fodera with wal pick ups and pre amp...

I have to admit it seems weird.. so fodera experts (or even Jason) will say if it's legit or not....

but either way :) worse to worse , just a cool picture :)

cheers

It's legit. I remember that bass from the late 90's if I remember correctly.
 
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