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Fodera Yin-Yang Standard Wait Support Group

#261
The recommendation from Fodera is to do lots of wraps to keep the tension downwards. The bass comes with an explanatory slip of paper.

I would have thought a more modern-style tree holding down all four strings would have been a better design, but it probably didn't look as good with the painted headstock.
 
#264
Well, then pony up $12K and get the angled headstock :D

fwiw I love the scoop on the headstock. It is a quite elegant shape in person, especially with the two tone effect. As for the wraps, it is a non-issue. I always cut my strings to a specific length (measure against the old one) so instead of cutting to give me 2 winds I cut to give me winds over the whole tuner (and the instructions give you the lengths). When I pick it up and start playing the number of string winds and headstock angle are the furthest thing from my mind...
 
#265
I agree completely about the headstock angle. Not only did I love the YYS that I played recently, but my nordy vj 5 also has a flat headstock and Absolutely kills! IMO, if done correctly the headstock angle can be reduced to a non issue or one of pure aesthetics.

Grady
 
#266
I'm not sure why there would be a concern about a flat versus angled headstock, unless it's purely aesthetic, in which case any discussion is certainly interesting. The most classic of electric basses, the Fenders, have flat headstocks, and they were the genesis of all that has come after. Does anyone ever make an issue about flat headstocks on Precision or Jazz basses? I'm not making a judgement here at all, or a criticism of anyone's thoughts, just an observation.
 
#267
There is a minor functional difference in that an angled headstock (assuming it is done right) does not require a string tree to get a proper angle over the nut. The other construction difference is that an angled neck is going to be laminate construction (laminate in the broad sense of multiple pieces of wood joined together) whereas a flat headstock is generally a one-piece neck and hence quicker/cheaper to build, especially with automation. There are exceptions.

From a tone perspective I think it is a wash though I'm sure that some will say there is a difference. In general a multi-piece neck will be more stable than a one-piece, again, depending on how well it is executed. But assuming a good quality build (eg Fodera YYS vs YYD), the difference is purely aesthetic. The only operational difference is that when you change strings on the YYS you need to get the wraps down to the base of the tuner on the E and G string so you maximize the break angle over the nut.
 
#268
I was meaning to speak from a tonal perspective purely, and by "done right" ImPlying good construction, use of a string tree, and proper string winding. Definitely don't want to open a can of worms or anything. Either method can yield an excellent instrument under such circumstances.
 
#270
curt basner said:
Above all else, the quote is true!
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Haha. Indeed, curt. These basses, whether deluxe or standard, are too nice to have worms anywhere near them!

To clarify my stance a bit, when I first saw/played a YYS, the two things I reacted negatively about were the flat headstock and the painted dark finish.
After a few minutes of playing though, these became afterthoughts. Yes, I would prefer the slanted headstock, mother of pearl and perfectly executed, world class woodworking involved in the deluxe model, but at the end of the day, Irady care most about feel( balance, feel of the neck and fretwork) and tone, and to be able to get pretty damn close for 40% of the cost of the deluxe, these things IMO, are seriously great options!

Grady
 
#271
After all the great reviews that were done by folks here about the YYS, I was very close to going the Standard route. These basses are clearly outstanding in their own right, their tie to the original Deluxe not even being a consideration. I'm hoping my decision to get a Deluxe holds up over time :D That said, I'm not sure I even want to play a YYS. How sad would it be if I ended up thinking the YYS would have been better for me? :hmm:
 
#272
Well, you better thing twice about a CA trip :D

Gratuitous photo alert. Originally had 3 gigs scheduled this weekend. Last night was an hour set at The Joint. Much to the chagrin of the sound guy, we said, "we only need one mic for sax." The last times we've played there the house sound was...interesting. This was a different guy but we figured we'd do the experiment. We had some interesting feels - a fair amount of sparse and odd tempo in the heat of the moment. After that set we headed to a b-day party for the husband of one of our singers. They had live-band karaoke and I ended up sitting in on bass for another 3 hours of playing. The cops showed up a little before 1am (this party was in a commercial area so no neighbors but noise is noise I suppose). Not sure that a YYS has played behind singers doing Adele, Journey, Celene Dion (Titanic theme!), Bon Jovi, etc. In the same night. A single 1-hour set? Just getting warmed up. A 4-hour night? Much better...

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karaoke with our drummer doing vocals to "Centerfold" by J.Giels.
 
#273
curt basner said:
After all the great reviews that were done by folks here about the YYS, I was very close to going the Standard route. These basses are clearly outstanding in their own right, their tie to the original Deluxe not even being a consideration. I'm hoping my decision to get a Deluxe holds up over time :D That said, I'm not sure I even want to play a YYS. How sad would it be if I ended up thinking the YYS would have been better for me? :hmm:
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I have a YY Deluxe as well and (though I've never played a YYS) I have no doubt that a YYS plays either just as well, or so close most couldn't tell the difference. In fact if I could get a JJ standard I would order it today.

The YYD is an investment in the sheer art of the thing. Having a brilliantly crafted wood based sculpture in your hands every time you play. It's when people hold it and look at how it's put together and just marvel at its construction. You can never justify the cost on the playability alone.
 
#274
pringlw said:
The YYD is an investment in the sheer art of the thing. Having a brilliantly crafted wood based sculpture in your hands every time you play. It's when people hold it and look at how it's put together and just marvel at its construction. You can never justify the cost on the playability alone.
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In fact, that was precisely my thought at getting the Deluxe. When I saw that the dealer had one on order (which turns out to have been ordered way back in July, 2007, per the invoice), and the fact that it had been viewed and considered for purchase by such TalkBass luminaries as nostatic, I figured that it may have been providence and fate that brought it and me together. It's like certain wristwatches. How much can it cost for the very best components and watch movement? Certainly not the prices some of the makers charge. You are paying for the luxury of the materials and (hopefully) stellar workmanship. And I'm perfectly okay with that. I would guess that many of you would probably say the same of most of my Fender and Gibson Custom Shop instruments (and my F Bass). Are they worth the prices I paid purely for the parts? Absolutely not. Are they worth it, TO ME, as examples of wonderful things beyond simple music makers? Yes, and that's why I own the ones I have, instead of far less expensive tools that would have accomplished the same thing.

So, my comment about the Standard versus the Deluxe made previously was really tongue in cheek. Regardless of how great the Standards may be, I know I'm going to be ecstatic with my Deluxe!
 
#277
That was her first night with a new camera so she was messing around with it handheld. It actually was shot in 1080p but I downrezed for youtube. The sound is off the camera as well. Still sorting the recording out. The room was incredibly live - all concrete except for one wall that was glass :eek:
 
#279
I have gotten through the first four months (or should I say 10 since I have been considering the bass since it was announced; however, four since I ordered it) just fine, but with around two months to go I am starting to have, on more than one occasion, dreams about receiving the bass. The anticipation is half the fun.
 

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