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Fodera Yin-Yang Standard Wait Support Group

ok, so I'm now 6 weeks and 16 gigs into life with the YYS (and my first Fodera). I will freely admit that while I'm picky about instruments and have owned a bunch of really nice basses, I was skeptical about the YYS. I waxed philosophic about overcoming that previously, but of course I was firmly in the honeymoon phase. Combine that with the desire to psychologically affirm that your money was well spent and you've got the natural tendency to gush about a new bass.

At some point though, the fingers hit the strings (hopefully repeatedly), and the cold morning light after multiple shows (like this past weekend with 4 gigs in 3 nights) tends to expose the weaknesses in the player/instrument relationship. Combine that with recordings from every show and you've got plenty of fodder for making or (usually) breaking that magic bond that some of us seek in an instrument.

For those that don't want to wade through a bunch of words - this bass kills. Is it perfect? Umm, no. There is no "perfect." And pursuing that myth will lead to misery. Expectations are a pita. So if it isn't "perfect", then why the effusive praise? Well, it is simple if you let it be simple. You can break making music down into two main issues. The first is being able to execute the ideas in your head/heart/hands. The second is finding new ideas/sounds/emotions that can flow out into the world. A good bass makes it easy for the first one to happen. A great instrument facilitates both. I've owned a lot of good instruments and a handful of great ones. My Fodera is certainly in that short list of great basses that whisper in my ear and lead me places that don't have any of my footprints.

It is no secret that my Rob Allen Deep 5 is my other "keeper" bass. While sonically the YYS and RA couldn't be more different, they share the fact that they both have a voice that is inherent to them. The RA is the big warm down comforter that will wrap itself around any tune. Playing straight ahead jazz on that thing is just perfect. And it is fun to crank out some funk or rock on it as well. The YYS on the other hand is a devilish girl that epitomizes yin/yang. I can roll onto the P pup, dial back the tone, and get a fat thump and also do the jazz thing. But then I can twiddle the knobs and slice and dice through any sonic maze. But it isn't just the sound - that damn neck just taunts me and leads me down dangerous paths. Back in '03 I played on a Kaz Takeda album that was released in Asia. A Japanese reviewer said, roughly translated, "he plays his bass from a perilous stance." I always took that as a compliment. And the Fodera induces me further onto the high wire, and if I fall, it is still there for the next note. After all, if you play it once, it's a mistake. If you play it twice, it is jazz.

I also take into account the people who make the instrument. The certain special basses invariably have had the hands of special people work them from shapeless blocks into finished instrument. One of the great things about working with a small builder shop is that you not only can get to know the people, but invariably you can see/feel their personality, aesthetic, and approach in the bass. The Fodera crew is top notch and passionate about their craft. It makes a difference. Are they expensive? Yup. Are the worth it? Absolutely, though ymmv.
 
nostatic said:
ok, so I'm now 6 weeks and 16 gigs into life with the YYS (and my first Fodera). I will freely admit that while I'm picky about instruments and have owned a bunch of really nice basses, I was skeptical about the YYS. I waxed philosophic about overcoming that previously, but of course I was firmly in the honeymoon phase. Combine that with the desire to psychologically affirm that your money was well spent and you've got the natural tendency to gush about a new bass.

At some point though, the fingers hit the strings (hopefully repeatedly), and the cold morning light after multiple shows (like this past weekend with 4 gigs in 3 nights) tends to expose the weaknesses in the player/instrument relationship. Combine that with recordings from every show and you've got plenty of fodder for making or (usually) breaking that magic bond that some of us seek in an instrument.

For those that don't want to wade through a bunch of words - this bass kills. Is it perfect? Umm, no. There is no "perfect." And pursuing that myth will lead to misery. Expectations are a pita. So if it isn't "perfect", then why the effusive praise? Well, it is simple if you let it be simple. You can break making music down into two main issues. The first is being able to execute the ideas in your head/heart/hands. The second is finding new ideas/sounds/emotions that can flow out into the world. A good bass makes it easy for the first one to happen. A great instrument facilitates both. I've owned a lot of good instruments and a handful of great ones. My Fodera is certainly in that short list of great basses that whisper in my ear and lead me places that don't have any of my footprints.

It is no secret that my Rob Allen Deep 5 is my other "keeper" bass. While sonically the YYS and RA couldn't be more different, they share the fact that they both have a voice that is inherent to them. The RA is the big warm down comforter that will wrap itself around any tune. Playing straight ahead jazz on that thing is just perfect. And it is fun to crank out some funk or rock on it as well. The YYS on the other hand is a devilish girl that epitomizes yin/yang. I can roll onto the P pup, dial back the tone, and get a fat thump and also do the jazz thing. But then I can twiddle the knobs and slice and dice through any sonic maze. But it isn't just the sound - that damn neck just taunts me and leads me down dangerous paths. Back in '03 I played on a Kaz Takeda album that was released in Asia. A Japanese reviewer said, roughly translated, "he plays his bass from a perilous stance." I always took that as a compliment. And the Fodera induces me further onto the high wire, and if I fall, it is still there for the next note. After all, if you play it once, it's a mistake. If you play it twice, it is jazz.

I also take into account the people who make the instrument. The certain special basses invariably have had the hands of special people work them from shapeless blocks into finished instrument. One of the great things about working with a small builder shop is that you not only can get to know the people, but invariably you can see/feel their personality, aesthetic, and approach in the bass. The Fodera crew is top notch and passionate about their craft. It makes a difference. Are they expensive? Yup. Are the worth it? Absolutely, though ymmv.

Nice words!!! Sorry to hijack the thread a little but it reminds me a bit of my experience with my Zon Sonus... But I've been checking the Fodera for a while now... :):):)...
 
ok, so I'm now 6 weeks and 16 gigs into life with the YYS (and my first Fodera). I will freely admit that while I'm picky about instruments and have owned a bunch of really nice basses, I was skeptical about the YYS. I waxed philosophic about overcoming that previously, but of course I was firmly in the honeymoon phase. Combine that with the desire to psychologically affirm that your money was well spent and you've got the natural tendency to gush about a new bass.

At some point though, the fingers hit the strings (hopefully repeatedly), and the cold morning light after multiple shows (like this past weekend with 4 gigs in 3 nights) tends to expose the weaknesses in the player/instrument relationship. Combine that with recordings from every show and you've got plenty of fodder for making or (usually) breaking that magic bond that some of us seek in an instrument.

For those that don't want to wade through a bunch of words - this bass kills. Is it perfect? Umm, no. There is no "perfect." And pursuing that myth will lead to misery. Expectations are a pita. So if it isn't "perfect", then why the effusive praise? Well, it is simple if you let it be simple. You can break making music down into two main issues. The first is being able to execute the ideas in your head/heart/hands. The second is finding new ideas/sounds/emotions that can flow out into the world. A good bass makes it easy for the first one to happen. A great instrument facilitates both. I've owned a lot of good instruments and a handful of great ones. My Fodera is certainly in that short list of great basses that whisper in my ear and lead me places that don't have any of my footprints.

It is no secret that my Rob Allen Deep 5 is my other "keeper" bass. While sonically the YYS and RA couldn't be more different, they share the fact that they both have a voice that is inherent to them. The RA is the big warm down comforter that will wrap itself around any tune. Playing straight ahead jazz on that thing is just perfect. And it is fun to crank out some funk or rock on it as well. The YYS on the other hand is a devilish girl that epitomizes yin/yang. I can roll onto the P pup, dial back the tone, and get a fat thump and also do the jazz thing. But then I can twiddle the knobs and slice and dice through any sonic maze. But it isn't just the sound - that damn neck just taunts me and leads me down dangerous paths. Back in '03 I played on a Kaz Takeda album that was released in Asia. A Japanese reviewer said, roughly translated, "he plays his bass from a perilous stance." I always took that as a compliment. And the Fodera induces me further onto the high wire, and if I fall, it is still there for the next note. After all, if you play it once, it's a mistake. If you play it twice, it is jazz.

I also take into account the people who make the instrument. The certain special basses invariably have had the hands of special people work them from shapeless blocks into finished instrument. One of the great things about working with a small builder shop is that you not only can get to know the people, but invariably you can see/feel their personality, aesthetic, and approach in the bass. The Fodera crew is top notch and passionate about their craft. It makes a difference. Are they expensive? Yup. Are the worth it? Absolutely, though ymmv.

WOW!! Ok that was it! You pushed me over the edge for sure. It sounds like we are looking for similar things and have taken similar roads to find them. I really appreciate you taking the time to post your feelings here. I am going to have to order one of these now... Thanks a lot and I mean that sincerely and not facetiously!

Peace,

T
 
So is this also the Emperor 5 Standard wait support group?

Sigh, can't wait. But I do have my Yin Yang to keep me company. It is true what others have said. Foderas flat out spoil you for other basses. After getting my YY, I am now selling all the other basses that I thought I liked to fund my E5S. Doing it happily I might add. I'm just keeping a Fender Jazz (for the grimy bars that I don't want to bring a Fodera to) and a Rickenbacker fretless that I've had since 1982 and can never part with.
 
ok, so I'm now 6 weeks and 16 gigs into life with the YYS (and my first Fodera). I will freely admit that while I'm picky about instruments and have owned a bunch of really nice basses, I was skeptical about the YYS. I waxed philosophic about overcoming that previously, but of course I was firmly in the honeymoon phase. Combine that with the desire to psychologically affirm that your money was well spent and you've got the natural tendency to gush about a new bass.

At some point though, the fingers hit the strings (hopefully repeatedly), and the cold morning light after multiple shows (like this past weekend with 4 gigs in 3 nights) tends to expose the weaknesses in the player/instrument relationship. Combine that with recordings from every show and you've got plenty of fodder for making or (usually) breaking that magic bond that some of us seek in an instrument.

For those that don't want to wade through a bunch of words - this bass kills. Is it perfect? Umm, no. There is no "perfect." And pursuing that myth will lead to misery. Expectations are a pita. So if it isn't "perfect", then why the effusive praise? Well, it is simple if you let it be simple. You can break making music down into two main issues. The first is being able to execute the ideas in your head/heart/hands. The second is finding new ideas/sounds/emotions that can flow out into the world. A good bass makes it easy for the first one to happen. A great instrument facilitates both. I've owned a lot of good instruments and a handful of great ones. My Fodera is certainly in that short list of great basses that whisper in my ear and lead me places that don't have any of my footprints.

It is no secret that my Rob Allen Deep 5 is my other "keeper" bass. While sonically the YYS and RA couldn't be more different, they share the fact that they both have a voice that is inherent to them. The RA is the big warm down comforter that will wrap itself around any tune. Playing straight ahead jazz on that thing is just perfect. And it is fun to crank out some funk or rock on it as well. The YYS on the other hand is a devilish girl that epitomizes yin/yang. I can roll onto the P pup, dial back the tone, and get a fat thump and also do the jazz thing. But then I can twiddle the knobs and slice and dice through any sonic maze. But it isn't just the sound - that damn neck just taunts me and leads me down dangerous paths. Back in '03 I played on a Kaz Takeda album that was released in Asia. A Japanese reviewer said, roughly translated, "he plays his bass from a perilous stance." I always took that as a compliment. And the Fodera induces me further onto the high wire, and if I fall, it is still there for the next note. After all, if you play it once, it's a mistake. If you play it twice, it is jazz.

I also take into account the people who make the instrument. The certain special basses invariably have had the hands of special people work them from shapeless blocks into finished instrument. One of the great things about working with a small builder shop is that you not only can get to know the people, but invariably you can see/feel their personality, aesthetic, and approach in the bass. The Fodera crew is top notch and passionate about their craft. It makes a difference. Are they expensive? Yup. Are the worth it? Absolutely, though ymmv.

great review..
 
Ok it's official! Donovan dropped me a PM and let me know he had one coming in a week or 2! Of course I had to get her... Number 49 is MINE!! Wife loves me so much she didn't hesitate!! I am a lucky man! Hope to post up a review here in the next few weeks! Looks like my wait won't be nearly as long as most of you guys but it sure will feel like it!! Thanks for the reviews here guys it was really very helpful in making the decision to take the chance and jump...

Peace,

T
 
congrats! odds are good you'll dig it. I find that a little eq goes a long way and it really can help with certain mixes or rooms. I tend to run my amps flat and control the sound from the bass/fingers. You'll also probably be surprised at the string feel unless you already run really light strings. It can be addicting. The other thing is that as the strings start to die this bass still sounds great (just not as much piano ring). This is in marked contrast to my Fender which sounded great with new strings but once they went it was a dull thud. The YYS retains punch and continues to sound great in a mix.
 
congrats! odds are good you'll dig it. I find that a little eq goes a long way and it really can help with certain mixes or rooms. I tend to run my amps flat and control the sound from the bass/fingers. You'll also probably be surprised at the string feel unless you already run really light strings. It can be addicting. The other thing is that as the strings start to die this bass still sounds great (just not as much piano ring). This is in marked contrast to my Fender which sounded great with new strings but once they went it was a dull thud. The YYS retains punch and continues to sound great in a mix.

Thanks! Do you use the stock Fodera Strings that came on the bass? I am having her setup tuned to Eb and was thinking of going up a gauge from the lightest set...a little worried about the tension on the lights?? Anyone have any experience in this regard? I know I want Nickels either way as I do not care for the feel of most Stainless sets...Thanks for any thoughts you guys may have! For reference I have been using Sadowky Blue Nickels on all my basses except my SR4 where I use Slnkys.

Peace,

T
 
I used to use Dunlop nickels on my Fender. I am sticking with the Fodera nickels on the YYS. Right now I have my second set of VW strings, but I got a set of 40-100 Fodera nickels that I'm going to try next. When I first got the bass I figured I'd quickly switch to heavier strings but I got kinda addicted to the lighter ones. It is easy to play out of tune though depending on your technique as they like to bend. Of course that ends up being part of the fun :D

I hate stainless strings. I have played a variety of nickel sets over the years. Before trying the Fodera strings my fav were the Dunlop (over DR Sunbeams, D'Addario, Zon). But so far I really like the way the Fodera strings age. And they seem to mate will with the bass. So I'd say play the VW set, then try either 40-100 or 45-105 Fodera sets. You'll likely need to give the truss rod a small tweak when you swap.
 
I used to use Dunlop nickels on my Fender. I am sticking with the Fodera nickels on the YYS. Right now I have my second set of VW strings, but I got a set of 40-100 Fodera nickels that I'm going to try next. When I first got the bass I figured I'd quickly switch to heavier strings but I got kinda addicted to the lighter ones. It is easy to play out of tune though depending on your technique as they like to bend. Of course that ends up being part of the fun :D

I hate stainless strings. I have played a variety of nickel sets over the years. Before trying the Fodera strings my fav were the Dunlop (over DR Sunbeams, D'Addario, Zon). But so far I really like the way the Fodera strings age. And they seem to mate will with the bass. So I'd say play the VW set, then try either 40-100 or 45-105 Fodera sets. You'll likely need to give the truss rod a small tweak when you swap.

Thanks for that! Hate is such a strong word for me but I would agree that Stainless Strings are on that list for me! I was thinking the 40-100 may be the happy medium. I tend to use bends and slurs in my playing and it would definitely be more comfortable at my age to be able to do things more easily. I don't want to go to the 45-105 if I can help it because I want to play as close to the ideal that the builder had for the instrument if that makes any sense. I tend to have a set formula when I get a new bass in that I have certain expectations and ideas of sounds I will get from that instrument. I typically take them out of the case and play them for 5 to 10 minutes and immediately put on a set of Dunlop locks and a set of Sadowsky Blue Nickels. I have no such preconceptions at all about this bass. I want to experience her just as the people who made her meant for me to...At least that's where I am at right now anyway! I know that could change after I get her but somehow I don't think so in this case. I am used to essentially having to completely re setup every instrument I get in my hands but I am not sure that will be necessary this time. I have almost always had to adjust the pickups to make up for the tonal and volume differences across the strings and have no doubt that will have already been done correctly during the build process...I am expecting to be blown away and can't wait for the experience...thanks again for all your help!

Peace,

T
 
Interesting string discussion. I have sent a set of Thomastik-Infeld flats to Fodera to put on my YY Deluxe, something that Jason tells me they have never previously tried. I am a recent convert to these strings, but I absolutely love them on my Fender. Whether they will be as impressive on the Fodera is yet to be seen, but I love everything about them, the feel, the tone, the whole bit. I am anxiously awaiting feedback from Jason about what they think of them. I can, of course, always change them later, but I really wanted the bass set up by Fodera for the lowest action possible with these strings. I will, MAYBE, have my new bass in hand by sometime next week. We'll see!
 
Interesting string discussion. I have sent a set of Thomastik-Infeld flats to Fodera to put on my YY Deluxe, something that Jason tells me they have never previously tried. I am a recent convert to these strings, but I absolutely love them on my Fender. Whether they will be as impressive on the Fodera is yet to be seen, but I love everything about them, the feel, the tone, the whole bit. I am anxiously awaiting feedback from Jason about what they think of them. I can, of course, always change them later, but I really wanted the bass set up by Fodera for the lowest action possible with these strings. I will, MAYBE, have my new bass in hand by sometime next week. We'll see!

I feel the same exact way about the Sadowskys... I was thinking of sending them a set of mine to install but I really want to hear her the way they think she is best voiced. I can't help but believe they put as much thought into the strings as they did the basses and I am guessing that is a part of the tonal equation for them. I don't know why but I feel somewhat compelled to trust them and their input. I can always send her back and have them put the Sadowskys on and do another setup for a few bucks if I don't love it out of the case. If the Fodera Nickels live up to the rest if the bass I will probably leave them on her and order some more...

Peace,

T
 
This has been my philosophy as well. I have Super Slinkies on my Musicman Stingray because they are both Ernie Ball - and I have Fodera strings on my YY. I will almost certainly try a different set at one time - but for now I have 5 sets of Fodera strings to work through and I'm loving the sound.


I feel the same exact way about the Sadowskys... I was thinking of sending them a set of mine to install but I really want to hear her the way they think she is best voiced. I can't help but believe they put as much thought into the strings as they did the basses and I am guessing that is a part of the tonal equation for them. I don't know why but I feel somewhat compelled to trust them and their input. I can always send her back and have them put the Sadowskys on and do another setup for a few bucks if I don't love it out of the case. If the Fodera Nickels live up to the rest if the bass I will probably leave them on her and order some more...

Peace,

T
 
This has been my philosophy as well. I have Super Slinkies on my Musicman Stingray because they are both Ernie Ball - and I have Fodera strings on my YY. I will almost certainly try a different set at one time - but for now I have 5 sets of Fodera strings to work through and I'm loving the sound.

You know I tried the Sadowskys on my SR4 and just preferred the .50 Slinkys on it. The Sadowskys were fine but the Ray just sings better with the Balls on her. For some reason I am expecting the Fodera to sound and feel better with the Foderas on her. With that said I do prefer the Sadowskys on my SR5...Go figure on that one!

Peace,

T
 
I hope that you will dig our strings. We have put a ton of effort into developing just the right "recipe" over the years. That is one of the special things about making them ourselves...we know exactly what we want and how to get it.

In terms of your situation, if you routinely drop to Eb, I think that the 40-100's might be a better option for you. The VW Signature set (40-55-75-95) WILL work, but they will feel a touch sloppy IMHO as they are already right on that razor's edge now (intentionally and deliciously so)...

Enjoy the bass and welcome to the Fodera Family!

Cheers,

J

I feel the same exact way about the Sadowskys... I was thinking of sending them a set of mine to install but I really want to hear her the way they think she is best voiced. I can't help but believe they put as much thought into the strings as they did the basses and I am guessing that is a part of the tonal equation for them. I don't know why but I feel somewhat compelled to trust them and their input. I can always send her back and have them put the Sadowskys on and do another setup for a few bucks if I don't love it out of the case. If the Fodera Nickels live up to the rest if the bass I will probably leave them on her and order some more...

Peace,

T
 
The VW Signature set (40-55-75-95) WILL work, but they will feel a touch sloppy IMHO as they are already right on that razor's edge now (intentionally and deliciously so)...

Enjoy the bass and welcome to the Fodera Family!

Cheers,

J

perfectly put. I have never used such light strings except some flats on a longhorn and an old hofner. I actually asked Jason if they would set my YYS with my usual fodera nickels but no mods allowed. I am actually really loving the 95's as they are very much on the edge in a delicious kind of way..
 
I've got a new set of 40-100s and was thinking of putting them on before this weekend's gigs but held off. While I love the "piano" tone of the new strings, the broken-in VWs continue to amaze me with their tone. Or maybe it is the bass. Or the combo. Dunno. But at the risk of being waxing more philosophic, two very different gigs this weekend. Friday was a Susan G. Komen benefit show with Steely Jam. Somewhat surreal gig as it was a cocktail party and modeling show (some in lingerie - it was Beverly Hills after all...) and we were the musical entertainment. The YYS in the pink

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Actually was a rough show due to timing, illness, and other intangibles. But the bass sound was never in question. Then last night was our regular trio residency at a local coffeehouse/hangout. I was kinda dreading it as I'd been down for going on 4 days with a nasty bug and just wanted to continue to lie on the couch. But the show must go on. And as sometimes happens, when you least are feeling it, the magic happens. We ended up playing some of the most interesting versions of tunes including a very odd triplet over four feel head on So What (not sure where that came from), our usual on-the-fly medleys that actually flowed well, and a fast version of Song For My Father that transitioned right into 25 or 6 to 4. And I have to credit the YYS for some of that, as I would hear the sounds and be led somewhere else. The conversations with percussion and keys were fast and furious but the bass never got in the way but rather kept hinting at what could be next. With the caveat/warning of imperfect wankering, a snippet from that including use of the loop pedal that allowed the trio to sound a bit bigger. This is running through the Aggie TH500 and Berg AE210. I love the tone (and these are the old strings).

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I hope everyone is digging theirs as much as I am mine. For those that are waiting, I think your patience will be rewarded.
 
nice pics man... and LOL is that a fodera hat your wearing as well?? Hilarious... Are they paying you to endorse :P

When you change strings on the YYS from different gauges have you had to adjust the truss rod or any other settings?..

I think my YYS is coming in about a month...

How often have you been changing the strings?
 
I paid for the hat. Finally one that fits :D

If you go to heavier strings you likely need to tweak the truss rod. I find I have to do it when we get a significant weather change. As for changing strings it varies. I play a lot and sweat a fair amount so I can have a set of strings start to go off in a week or so. Thankfully I like the tone of the Fodera strings even after a month +. Right now I'm pondering if I want to put a new set on as I'm still happy with my tone. That is in marked contrast to either DR or Dunlops on my Fender. When either of those went the bass sounded like a mudfart...
 

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