From Garry Beers / INXS / AshenMoon.. Re Chris Squire..

[Wood and Wire]

So- so back to the original subject of this post- my Greco "CS" build- here is a video of the first test with the new Horseshoe I got from Argentina. 4.5K thereabouts and sounds GREAT.. I'll post a better sounding demo when I get into my studio soon. This is from my (temporary) messy garage..

Sounds mean.

I guess it’s wired the equivalent of having the tone cap cut (I don’t think any of the Japanese Ric’s had that cap, and everyone seemed to snip them anyway).

As much as I love the sound of the Rickenbacker bridge pickup without that capacitor, there’s something that puts a massive smile on my face when you actually get your hands on a 70’s Ric that still has it intact.

Modern Ric’s, with the push-pull tone control, to engage/bypass that cap, are a brilliant modification.

 

[Wood and Wire]

Bow Wow Wow did have a great RS.. I'm biased against Adam A as our very first tour of tghe States was supporting him and he was not cool- Marco his musical partner was very sweet but Adam did not

Adam certainly had his issues.

He got completely obsessed with a friend of mine, and was constantly trying to involve himself for a couple of months - during which period he infamously started firing handguns in public.

 

[MonetBass]

Thanks, I had no idea.

(I actually really liked Adam and The Ants, and Bow Wow Wow, at the time - great rhythm sections)

FYI, those are the same rhythm sections. Malcolm McClaren managed Adam & The Ants briefly before swiping Adam's band to form Bow Wow Wow with Annabella Lwin.

 

[Jeff Scott]

So- so back to the original subject of this post- my Greco "CS" build- here is a video of the first test with the new Horseshoe I got from Argentina. 4.5K thereabouts and sounds GREAT.. I'll post a better sounding demo when I get into my studio soon. This is from my (temporary) messy garage..

The horseshoe pickup sounds great, Gary. I take it this has no cap in line with it as it is pretty ballsy sounding on its own?

Here are a couple of recordings I have of the rebuilt '60s horseshoe pickup. The first is with the '98 4001V63 that I put a scatterwound toaster in to replace the hot toaster RIC was using back in that era. This recording is mostly stream-of-unconsciousness® noodling that is roughly divided in thirds (toaster/toaster and horseshoe/horseshoe). I do have the .0047 cap in-line with the horseshoe pickup in this recording. Played with a pick into my former Universal Audio LA-610 Mk II preamp; TI Jazz Rounds (JR) strings.

The second recording is from an old covers band I was in years ago. This is the Jetglo 4003, with scatterwound toaster and the '60s horseshoe pickup, this time with no cap in-line with it, played with a pick/TI JRs through a Tech 21 VT Bass pedal.

The built-in player on TB cuts off the recordings after a short while so please download the files to hear them all the way through, thanks.

 

[Wood and Wire]

FYI, those are the same rhythm sections. Malcolm McClaren managed Adam & The Ants briefly before swiping Adam's band to form Bow Wow Wow with Annabella Lwin.

No, Garry Tibbs was in The Ants version 2.1 (the most famous line-up, that had all the hits).

Bow Wow Wow was The Ants version 1.28,000.

I think the first Adam and The Ants album was recorded by The Ants version 1.27,999 (as far as I know, the amazing Leigh Gorman didn't record on Dirk Wears White Sox, and only joined the band for the promotional tour, a couple of months before that version of The Ants became Bow Wow Wow, and a new The Ants 2.0 was put together.

 

[Roger W]

Wow, way to start the Yes love affair !! so jealous ... You obviously were appreciative ...MSG is one of those legendary venues you grow up dreaming of- So us our Wembley Stadium shows ( one INXS - 2 w. Qheen and Status Quo ) were the show Aussie musos dream of. We did dozens of nights Headlining at Wembley arena ( 8 odd thousand from memory) over the years leading up to the "jump" to the Stadium.

I. Love. Those. Songs. I bought both Kick and Keith Richards’ solo album Talk is Cheap at roughly the same time and they were on constant rotation along with Miles Davis’ Pangaea which was re-released on CD around ‘87-‘88. You were on the inside of it so your view is different than mine, but your music meant and means a lot to me. Thank you.

 

[garrybeers]

Sounds mean.

I guess it’s wired the equivalent of having the tone cap cut (I don’t think any of the Japanese Ric’s had that cap, and everyone seemed to snip them anyway).

As much as I love the sound of the Rickenbacker bridge pickup without that capacitor, there’s something that puts a massive smile on my face when you actually get your hands on a 70’s Ric that still has it intact.

Modern Ric’s, with the push-pull tone control, to engage/bypass that cap, are a brilliant modification.

She looks to have the tone cap in place.. and sounds great to me..
I received the toaster today so I'll wire her up properly- still debating about sanding the F### out of it to lose some weight, tho it would have to be a lot of sanding to make a difference. I'll wire her up first and see how I feel after..

 

[garrybeers]

Pickup sounds great, I like that fuzz, too. Has more of a warm, er, fuzzy sound than the other chainsawy pedal.

I really like it too. The fuzzes in my pedal board, which I thought were great, don't really compare with how useful this one is- It's a Germanium version on the Brassmaster- having the bass signal and the Fuzz (Brass) signal as 2 separate knobs makes it so much more useful. Even the fuzz tones I thought were too much at first are growing on me..

 

[garrybeers]

I. Love. Those. Songs. I bought both Kick and Keith Richards’ solo album Talk is Cheap at roughly the same time and they were on constant rotation along with Miles Davis’ Pangaea which was re-released on CD around ‘87-‘88. You were on the inside of it so your view is different than mine, but your music meant and means a lot to me. Thank you.

You're welcome. !! We certainly had a blast making all that music..

 

[Wood and Wire]

She looks to have the tone cap in place.. and sounds great to me..
I received the toaster today so I'll wire her up properly- still debating about sanding the F### out of it to lose some weight, tho it would have to be a lot of sanding to make a difference. I'll wire her up first and see how I feel after..

View attachment 4801314

Well, if you sand it, it will be more authentic to Chris Squire's bass.

I guess it depends whether you want to do that drastic / irreversible a modification to a now vintage instrument (you might argue that if it were that collectible, you never should have been able to get it as cheaply as you did).

 

[garrybeers]

Well, if you sand it, it will be more authentic to Chris Squire's bass.

I guess it depends whether you want to do that drastic / irreversible a modification to a now vintage instrument (you might argue that if it were that collectible, you never should have been able to get it as cheaply as you did).

I. Love. Those. Songs. I bought both Kick and Keith Richards’ solo album Talk is Cheap at roughly the same time and they were on constant rotation along with Miles Davis’ Pangaea which was re-released on CD around ‘87-‘88. You were on the inside of it so your view is different than mine, but your music meant and means a lot to me. Thank you.

True, it looks and feels great as it is. Maybe if and when the other Greco turns up I'll get more serious about it. I would like to see if I could replicate Chris's bass, especially as he himself thought the CS reissues weren't close. They look pretty sweet tho.
If I'm going to paint one like his then I could chamber it. I don't want to make it neck heavy tho.
It's funny, he was such a huge guy, especially later in life- his Ricky really does look smaller than usual.
Another 6 degrees- when I was touring with my "spare Time" band Absent Friends we used to open the show with Big Enough from that Keith Richards album. Loved that bass line..
It's a great record by a cool guy.

 

[garrybeers]

 

[5StringBlues]

Was thinking of that track yesterday. Bootsy, Maceo Parker, Bernie Worrell, Waddy, Steve Jordan, and Keef.


I always wished there had been a full album of that line up.

 

[garrybeers]

Was thinking of that track yesterday. Bootsy, Maceo Parker, Bernie Worrell, Waddy, Steve Jordan, and Keef.


I always wished there had been a full album of that line up.

Insane amount of talent there..

 

[garrybeers]

The horseshoe pickup sounds great, Gary. I take it this has no cap in line with it as it is pretty ballsy sounding on its own?

Here are a couple of recordings I have of the rebuilt '60s horseshoe pickup. The first is with the '98 4001V63 that I put a scatterwound toaster in to replace the hot toaster RIC was using back in that era. This recording is mostly stream-of-unconsciousness® noodling that is roughly divided in thirds (toaster/toaster and horseshoe/horseshoe). I do have the .0047 cap in-line with the horseshoe pickup in this recording. Played with a pick into my former Universal Audio LA-610 Mk II preamp; TI Jazz Rounds (JR) strings.

The second recording is from an old covers band I was in years ago. This is the Jetglo 4003, with scatterwound toaster and the '60s horseshoe pickup, this time with no cap in-line with it, played with a pick/TI JRs through a Tech 21 VT Bass pedal.

The built-in player on TB cuts off the recordings after a short while so please download the files to hear them all the way through, thanks.

You have a rebuilt 60's horseshoe?

 

[Jeff Scott]

You have a rebuilt 60's horseshoe?

Yes I do. Dale Fortune, who used to work at Rickenbacker in the early '70s did the rebuild in the late '00s with lapsteel shoes and he made a bobbin for it; the alumin(i)um baseplate is also original. Here are some pics of it.

And here a couple of photos of it the '08 JG 4004.

 

[Btbp]

It is amazing there are not any recent Prog type bands.. I guess the fact that most listeners attention span is about 30 seconds these days makes it not so accepted.

Oh, but Garry, the good news is, there are.

There is a longer story to that, but right at this moment I have some crucial marital harmony wife maintenance to attend to, so will post back on this later. Good thing is we have a decent Prog thread here in TB, thought it's been quiet of late. Best Prog Rock? and there are surely others.

But I've been reading through this thread to finish it before posting what I wanted to from the start of it - that when Shabooh Shoobah came out, it was a very seminal album for me, still is to this day, and every song on it is great. I have at least one question about it I'll ask later, but your playing on Golden Playpen was inspirational. There is so much nuance in that song. (but what is it about, I've always wondered...)

 

[Indiedog]

Hey Garry!
If you are interested in modern progressive bands, have you heard Magenta (Welsh band)? Rob Reed and his lyricist brother Steve Reed produce some fine music.

“Seven” is perhaps there most Progressive CD…lots of obvious references from Yes, Genesis, and ELP:



And Rob’s KOMPENDIUM project is better still and has lots of great players including Steve Hackett, bassist/Stick player Nick Beggs, Mel Collins, Steve Balsamo (vocals) and amazing drummer Gavin Harrison.

 

[Btbp]

Oh, but Garry, the good news is, there are.

There is a longer story to that, but right at this moment I have some crucial marital harmony wife maintenance to attend to, so will post back on this later. Good thing is we have a decent Prog thread here in TB, thought it's been quiet of late. Best Prog Rock? and there are surely others.

But I've been reading through this thread to finish it before posting what I wanted to from the start of it - that when Shabooh Shoobah came out, it was a very seminal album for me, still is to this day, and every song on it is great. I have at least one question about it I'll ask later, but your playing on Golden Playpen was inspirational. There is so much nuance in that song. (but what is it about, I've always wondered...)

So when Prog as we knew it fizzled out (commercially, anyway, for the rest of it never did and never will) in the early 80s there was a lull before a resurgence, probably fueled by the lack of Prog when the likes of ELP and Genesis went Pop or Mainstream at least, but in the background bands like Marillion and IQ and Steve Hackett stayed the the course until Neo Prog came into being. For me the last Prog album was Eddie Jobson's Zinc/Green album, which is great.

I'll just throw out a few Neo Prog bands, there are so many of them.... The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, Arena, Kino, The Tangent (help me out here, there are many and I'm drawing a blank).

I found this great music when I had just moved from Japan to Singapore, and regretted the move (at that time, I later came to really like SG), hated my job, disliked my boss and coworkers and new company, missed Japan and my friends and the surf there and my then GF now wife who was still there, and was in a really dark place. I found Canvas Productions web radio, which was a lifesaver, and from that learned of those bands I mentioned and more.

It was like rediscovering Prog and it was just what the doctor ordered. Plus there were epic gems to be found, on the order of Close To The Edge, Trilogy, Wind And Wuthering, etc. with new things like The Great Nothing, The Odyssey, I Am The Sun. Imagine finding new stuff that hit like Siberian Khatru or Supper's Ready or On Reflection did back in the day....

 

[Jeff Scott]

Not sure what pigeon-hole this band "should" be in, but I learned about them about 11 years ago - Riverside, out of Poland.

One example: