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[maisbass]

Having used both the FI and the C4, what's your honest opinion of using their on-board suites of effects v. using traditional pedals or other specific moduation, verb/delay, etc. pedals? I kind of in the mind that many are workable but don't have the control or finesse that you get from having a unit designed for such.

For me, for instance, I don't have a phaser on my board these days (thought I have a few laying about including a vintage Phase 90); but having on as a patch on one of my pedals would be a nice option, but if you're a 'phase pedal cork sniffer' it just won't do the trick.

This is exactly why I have two H9’s on my board. Pretty much covers every effect needed and does them very well. Yes it’s a big investment, but well worth the money. For me at least. Even just having one and getting the max version which gives you lifetime free updates is worth it.

 

[BurningSkies]

I don't use many modulation pedals, mainly phaser (have a Source Audio Lunar and a Chase Bliss Wombtone Mark II) and occasionally chorus (from the Lunar).

The C4's phaser options are pretty good and are three of the six found in the Lunar I believe. The C4 has pretty good control over all the parameters - just as good as the Lunar for those 3 models. Nether beats the Wombtone though for warmth.

The FI's chorus isn't as easy to dial in as a dedicated pedal where many of the options are pre-determined and one simply has to turn a knob or two. My phaser patch took a bit of work to program; again, not as easy as a dedicated pedal but, as you say, nice to have as a patch should you need it and could pass muster in live mix.

I was actually surprised by the phaser patches that have shown up for the C4 which seem to be a step above 'in a pinch', I just know that when it comes to 'reverb' sometimes a basic lil' bit o' something is fine enough, but I have several reverb pedals and if you really want a dialed in verb, probably 'basic options' aren't going to be your bag. Similarly, I don't use chorus often, but if I want it I'm going to want control over the a bunch of parameters. I understand the 'having 'em on board for patchbuilding basics,' but think for the most part it will be a tough sell to replace stuff for anyone who's got a dedicated passel of effects or to think of any of these as a one-pedal multi-effects solution in general.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a set of good basic effects patches available to all FI users, I think it's a value added that will appeal to everyone interested in the pedal.

This is exactly why I have two H9’s on my board. Pretty much covers every effect needed and does them very well. Yes it’s a big investment, but well worth the money. For me at least. Even just having one and getting the max version which gives you lifetime free updates is worth it.

I've back-and-forth toyed with the idea of a H9 with all the sauce, but given the size, I have a hard time making that jump. it would have to pull two pedals off my board and the equation ends up looking like in terms of layering, I'd be losing some functionality. For instance, I'd have to pull my chorus AND my verb off the board to fit it on but there are songs where I use both chorus and verb. Or Chorus and delay, or Delay and verb...One of the reasons I chose The Atmosphere for my reverb is that it can do a whole lot...in a standard pedal sized footprint. Eventually there will be a 'next round' of these type of pedals and they'll be smaller than the panoply of these type of processor driven boxes that are of this size, or they'll be the same size but be able to drive multiple layers of effects.

 

[Chris Ramlar]

It would seem I’m a glutton for punishment; I’ve made a start on writing a new manual section discussing the FI as a replacement for standard single-effect pedals. It may or not make it into the final version. I’ll see how it turns out.

So far I’ve planned to include:
Envelope filter
Pedal wah-wah
Chorus/flange
Tremolo
Vibrato
Octaver

Any glaring omissions? Please bear in mind, this is extra work and not strictly necessary.

I think the FI can do Delay as well? and Phaser

 

[Quatschmacher]

Just managed to create a phaser patch!
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Just managed to create a phaser patch!
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I think the FI can do Delay as well? and Phaser

Delay is only 160ms. I'm aware it can do phaser as I just programmed one last night.

 

[maisbass]

I was actually surprised by the phaser patches that have shown up for the C4 which seem to be a step above 'in a pinch', I just know that when it comes to 'reverb' sometimes a basic lil' bit o' something is fine enough, but I have several reverb pedals and if you really want a dialed in verb, probably 'basic options' aren't going to be your bag. Similarly, I don't use chorus often, but if I want it I'm going to want control over the a bunch of parameters. I understand the 'having 'em on board for patchbuilding basics,' but think for the most part it will be a tough sell to replace stuff for anyone who's got a dedicated passel of effects or to think of any of these as a one-pedal multi-effects solution in general.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a set of good basic effects patches available to all FI users, I think it's a value added that will appeal to everyone interested in the pedal.



I've back-and-forth toyed with the idea of a H9 with all the sauce, but given the size, I have a hard time making that jump. it would have to pull two pedals off my board and the equation ends up looking like in terms of layering, I'd be losing some functionality. For instance, I'd have to pull my chorus AND my verb off the board to fit it on but there are songs where I use both chorus and verb. Or Chorus and delay, or Delay and verb...One of the reasons I chose The Atmosphere for my reverb is that it can do a whole lot...in a standard pedal sized footprint. Eventually there will be a 'next round' of these type of pedals and they'll be smaller than the panoply of these type of processor driven boxes that are of this size, or they'll be the same size but be able to drive multiple layers of effects.

I hear ya. Just a note though... many of the algorithms in the H9 have combined fx as well. Dirt and delay, chorus and verb, etc... The patches aren’t just one effect.

 

[SergeF]

Here is a little feedback on Future Impact V2 from an electrified saxophonist
(am I the only wind player around here?).

With the new guitar mode and the improved pitch tracking, Future Impact V2
is truly a game changer for wind instruments. On V1, I was only able to use
the lowest range of the baritone sax. Now the tracking works on the whole register
and is so good that the pedal works great on alto sax, even playing fast melodic
lines.

Thanks so much András! Looking forward V3 with the expression control,
this will be the killer synth pedal.

Very interesting! Does the pitch tracking of the FI cover the whole range of your instrument? ... The next software will have a new pitch tracking, much improved, more stable quality, also extending the pitch range to much higher pitches. It will have a BASS/GUITAR global option, in order to use it optimally in different pitch ranges.

 

[gastric]

Here is a little feedback on Future Impact V2 from an electrified saxophonist
(am I the only wind player around here?).

With the new guitar mode and the improved pitch tracking, Future Impact V2
is truly a game changer for wind instruments. On V1, I was only able to use
the lowest range of the baritone sax. Now the tracking works on the whole register
and is so good that the pedal works great on alto sax, even playing fast melodic
lines.

Thanks so much András! Looking forward V3 with the expression control,
this will be the killer synth pedal.

I'd think it'd work even better than on a string instrument as there's less rattle, ghost notes, finger noises, etc.

 

[SergeF]

I'd think it'd work even better than on a string instrument as there's less rattle, ghost notes, finger noises, etc.

I don't know, I'm not proficient enough on bass to compare the tracking with saxophone. Saxophone brings several challenges though: the attack is not as punchy as on bass, and the sound much richer harmonically. In addition, one needs to find a good pickup microphone solution to play live.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I’ve got an (almost) final version of the manual ready. Just debating whether to have the section on “using the FI to replace standard effects pedals” in the main body or to leave it in the appendix. Then just need to add pagination and check final layout so that tables aren’t going over two pages etc.

Back to writing patches soon!

 

[bruno40gr]

I’ve got an (almost) final version of the manual ready. Just debating whether to have the section on “using the FI to replace standard effects pedals” in the main body or to leave it in the appendix. Then just need to add pagination and check final layout so that tables aren’t going over two pages etc.

Back to writing patches soon!

One of the deciding factors of getting the FI was this capacity of replacing pedals, but other than the octave, never really dig deep into it.
I'd find that new section super useful!

 

[Bassheart365]

I’ve got an (almost) final version of the manual ready. Just debating whether to have the section on “using the FI to replace standard effects pedals” in the main body or to leave it in the appendix. Then just need to add pagination and check final layout so that tables aren’t going over two pages etc.

Back to writing patches soon!

Yes please! Looking forward to version 3 patches also.

 

[cosmicevan]

I’ve got an (almost) final version of the manual ready. Just debating whether to have the section on “using the FI to replace standard effects pedals” in the main body or to leave it in the appendix. Then just need to add pagination and check final layout so that tables aren’t going over two pages etc.

Back to writing patches soon!

I would really like to volunteer to proof read it, but I know I'd just be adding on top of an already overflowing pile of things. I've got a few manuals I need to read for some pedals I use on the regular that I'd like to take to the next level, but if you want another set of eyes, I'd give it a read over and nit pick you hard core

 

[Quatschmacher]

I would really like to volunteer to proof read it, but I know I'd just be adding on top of an already overflowing pile of things. I've got a few manuals I need to read for some pedals I use on the regular that I'd like to take to the next level, but if you want another set of eyes, I'd give it a read over and nit pick you hard core

Thanks for your offer but I can’t really send it to anyone else. I’ll have another read through it myself when I’ve had a couple of days’ break from it.

 

[Hog Branch Austin]

I have been thinking about version 3 coming out and how my setup will change. And I am psyched! However, I am new to midi and curious about using a foot controller with a midi setup.

My initial goal for V3 will be to figure out how to adjust the balance between FI output Bass and Synth levels live with a foot controller. Currently, my greatest difficulty is managing the "blend" or ratio of the two sounds when playing live. In different rooms with varying acoustics, instrument lineups, and stage volumes changing dramatically from gig to gig -- or sometimes even song to song in same gig, the perceived balance between output Bass and Synth levels varies greatly from settings created in rehearsal. This issue is especially challenging when changing programs that seem to vary more dramatically in loud shows, and it causes anxiety -- and sometimes dirty looks from bandmates. Ha!

Would the best way to accomplish this with one dedicated foot controller be to set output Bass at a preferred level and then adjust level of Synth? I know I can do this as a blend outside of the FI but I am wondering how to do it internally in the FI.

Also, can I set the foot controller for Synth to a limited range, for instance, from minimun 30 to max 45 (FI Editor scale) rather than a full sweep of zero to max, so that it's a smaller range and smoother/ easier to be sweep? (On some of my favorite settings, I only have synth on about 25, so would likely want to sweep from 0 to 30, for instance, but using the full range of the foot controller.)

Perhaps this is covered in the new manual already? I appreciate all your work on the new software amd documentation! And thanks for your patience if mine are silly questions.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I have been thinking about version 3 coming out and how my setup will change. And I am psyched! However, I am new to midi and curious about using a foot controller with a midi setup. My initial goal for v3 is to figure out how to adjust the balance between the bass and overall synth levels live with a foot controller -- currently my biggest issue live is managing the "blend" or ratio of the two sounds in different rooms because the varying acoustics, lineups, and stage volumes change dramatically from gig to gig or even song to song, altering the perceived balance between bass and synth levels. This is especially noticeable when changing programs and it causes anxiety -- and sometimes dirty looks from bandmates. Ha!

Would the best way to accomplish this with one dedicated foot controller be to set the bass at a preferred level and then blend in the synth? I know I can do this as a blend outside of the FI but I am wondering how to do it internally in the FI.

Also, can I set the foot controller for Synth to a limited range, for instance, from minimun 30 to max 45 (FI Editor scale) rather than a full sweep of zero to max, so that it's a smaller range and smoother/ easier to be sweep? (On some of my favorite settings, I only have synth on about 25, so would likely want to sweep from 0 to 30, for instance, but using the full range of the foot controller.)

Perhaps this is covered in the new manual already? I appreciate all your work on the new software amd documentation! And thanks for your patience if mine are a silly questions.

Yes, the things you mention will be possible.

You can also use the current balance knob to regulate the synth/dry bass level.

 

[Hog Branch Austin]

Thank you. Assigning the foot controller to the Balance knob will likely be an easier way for a newbie like me to get started, for sure.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thank you. Assigning the foot controller to the Balance knob will likely be an easier way for a newbie like me to get started, for sure.

You can't assign it directly to the balance, but there is a CC for synth volume. Or you could manually program a balance feature by having a foot pedal make the synth volume go up/bass volume go down, or a combination of the two and set both to your own desired minimum and maximum limits.

 

[GisserD]

Peter is giving up many many hours of his free time for the benifit of others (and Panda) The patches will surely be shared and enjoyed around the world for years to come, and i want to see him recompenced for his efforts, so that he never stops providing delicious synth sounds for us all to enjoy.

hit like on this post if you would support Peter on Patreon.

15 likes on this post. but Peters Patreons are nowhere near that.

Come on people, show some support for your favourite synth programmer!

 

[BurningSkies]

You can't assign it directly to the balance, but there is a CC for synth volume. Or you could manually program a balance feature by having a foot pedal make the synth volume go up/bass volume go down, or a combination of the two and set both to your own desired minimum and maximum limits.

This may be a useful thing, given the divergence of patch volumes. If you're using synth voices but not clean bass sounds, easy enough to assign an expression or just have your controller's patches set to adjust accordingly.

 

[Quatschmacher]

This may be a useful thing, given the divergence of patch volumes. If you're using synth voices but not clean bass sounds, easy enough to assign an expression or just have your controller's patches set to adjust accordingly.

There is the volume parameter which can be used to adjust individual patch volumes but it only has nine positions.