Genzler Amplification Club

[Loring]

The 12-3 is plenty loud though some on here prefer the 210-3.

I believe the 210 might be a hair punchier with the 12-3 A bit fuller. Might be better with a 5 string but I could be just talking out of my butt as I haven't personally tried the 210. I do really like the 12 however...

 

[Bassworship1]

@Loring

The 12-3 are amazing with just 1 but I found that for the size churches I play I can use 1 210-3 and carry churches by itself a little easier than I can with just 1 12-3 cab. At 2 pounds more than the 12-3 the 210-3 is the best value on the market. I love my Genzler gear.

 

[svtb15]

nice

@Loring

The 12-3 are amazing with just 1 but I found that for the size churches I play I can use 1 210-3 and carry churches by itself a little easier than I can with just 1 12-3 cab. At 2 pounds more than the 12-3 the 210-3 is the best value on the market. I love my Genzler gear.

 

[SadowskySteve]

I am new to this thread and returning to TB after many years away, so I hope you will forgive me for asking a relatively simple question.

I am about to retire my old Eden WT head and large Eden 4x10 cabinet that I purchased over 20 years ago. They have given me incredible service but the head now requires an expensive repair and the cabinet is simply too large and heavy.

A few months ago I had the great experience of visiting the Sadowsky showroom in NYC and spent a couple of hours auditioning basses through a Genzler rig that they had there. I was very impressed and although can't remember the exact configuration I believe it was the 800W amp through some version of BA cabinet. I am now thinking of replacing my tired Eden rig with a Genzler amp and single cabinet. I am trying to decide between the two amps and the 2x10 or 1x12 and could use some advice about what to consider between these two cabinets/amps. I am playing quite small venues now (small bars and cafes) but I do need to compete with 2 guitarists and keyboards as well as the drums. I play both 4 and 5 string basses (about equal time on each).

Thanks so much for your help.

I retired my 17 year old 100lb+ Eden 410 XLT during this summer. Was using an Ampeg SVT 3pro for my head. Great stack but ridiculously heavy and hard to lug around. Replaced it with the MG 800 and a single BA 12-3 and haven't looked back. The 410 was one of the best cabinets for its time (IMHO) and my single 12 is delivering it every gig. Only gigs were PA is supplied do I go through FOH. I've had large outdoor gigs and used my 12 by itself with no issues and lots of compliments. I bought the 12 as the 210 was not available to try and I haven't regretted it one bit. I'm GASing on adding a 2nd 12 as soon as the gig money is saved up.

 

[Bassworship1]

I gigged for years my Ampeg SVT3 Pro and matching Heritage Ampeg 410 cabinet and lugged over 100pounds for years. Very good and heavy setup but my Genzler gear easily made me forget about it. My 2 BA210 cabs blows it out of the water.

 

[SteveC]

The MG800 and a single BA12-3 FILLED my church. Start with that. If you feel you need more, get another BA12-3. I can't imagine needing any more. That's what the FOH is for if you get to that point.

 

[Loring]

@Loring

The 12-3 are amazing with just 1 but I found that for the size churches I play I can use 1 210-3 and carry churches by itself a little easier than I can with just 1 12-3 cab. At 2 pounds more than the 12-3 the 210-3 is the best value on the market. I love my Genzler gear.

Sensitivity is the same on both @ 98db (though max db is likely higher on the 210) - frequency response goes lower (32 vs 45) on the 12-3. If you're using a 5 string maybe the 12-3 will suit you better. If not - as mentioned for a little $ and 4 lbs you can have the 210-3.

 

[bwoodman]

Folks with the BA210 cab - do you ever use in the vertical position? I know it's designed to be horizontal so the 3's are vertical, but how much different will it actually sound? I play a restaurant gig every other week and the stage is small, so a smaller footprint is ideal.

 

[Discount Saint]

I am new to this thread and returning to TB after many years away, so I hope you will forgive me for asking a relatively simple question.

I am about to retire my old Eden WT head and large Eden 4x10 cabinet that I purchased over 20 years ago. They have given me incredible service but the head now requires an expensive repair and the cabinet is simply too large and heavy.

A few months ago I had the great experience of visiting the Sadowsky showroom in NYC and spent a couple of hours auditioning basses through a Genzler rig that they had there. I was very impressed and although can't remember the exact configuration I believe it was the 800W amp through some version of BA cabinet. I am now thinking of replacing my tired Eden rig with a Genzler amp and single cabinet. I am trying to decide between the two amps and the 2x10 or 1x12 and could use some advice about what to consider between these two cabinets/amps. I am playing quite small venues now (small bars and cafes) but I do need to compete with 2 guitarists and keyboards as well as the drums. I play both 4 and 5 string basses (about equal time on each).

Thanks so much for your help.

I haven't tried the 210 Bass Array, however I do have the MG800 and two BA12-3s, and I will say that these cabinets are powerhouses by themselves, and even better in groups. I don't think you can go wrong with either cabinet, although if you are going with the 12-3 I really would suggest getting a pair of them. Each one weighs around 30 pounds, and they are nice and compact, which makes them a joy to transport.

I play with a loud alt-rock band, and I have no trouble keeping up, volume-wise, in any venue. I also play a 4 and 5 string relatively equally, and my rig handles everything beautifully.

 

[SteveC]

Folks with the BA210 cab - do you ever use in the vertical position? I know it's designed to be horizontal so the 3's are vertical, but how much different will it actually sound? I play a restaurant gig every other week and the stage is small, so a smaller footprint is ideal.

This is why I was hoping that they would come out with a horizontal 210 cab. Not sure what that does to the design/physics of the array. I'd trade my 12 for a horizontal 10 for sure - especially if the top 10 was slanted up a little.

 

[noahw1]

Folks with the BA210 cab - do you ever use in the vertical position? I know it's designed to be horizontal so the 3's are vertical, but how much different will it actually sound? I play a restaurant gig every other week and the stage is small, so a smaller footprint is ideal.

I'm pretty sure Jeff Genzler talked about this in one of the Genzler threads. If I recall correctly he said you shouldn't do it as it will inhibit the dispersion.

 

[bwoodman]

I'm pretty sure Jeff Genzler talked about this in one of the Genzler threads. If I recall correctly he said you shouldn't do it as it will inhibit the dispersion.

Found it - #387 from Jeff:

"Regarding the questions about using a the BA210-3 on it's side in a vertical orientation, as I've said before your certainly not going to break anything (except it will keep me up at night with my OCD issues).
Does it completely change the dispersion characteristics, yes, but in a specific playing environment that may not have such an impact for the user. Every stage is a little different. I would not do it, I'd tip it up slightly if needed.

Speaking in general as a manufacturer and designer of products --- we develop a concept, work through the trade offs and benefits to get to a compelling product that can capture the imagination and interest of the player and deliver on our design.
How the user of the product interrupts what that product can do for them and in their specific needs, takes that initial product and pushes it even further. Many times how some players use a product is outside of the intended design parameters but somehow it just works.
To me, that in itself is a continued form of product develop."

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Glad you found this post. Since then I've talked to a couple of BA210-3 users that have run them vertically and for those tight stages it works very well for them.
Mike Frost has used one in the flat position and another on top vertically. Loves the overall "envelop" of tone.
Experimentation is part of the trade.

 

[bwoodman]

Glad you found this post. Since then I've talked to a couple of BA210-3 users that have run them vertically and for those tight stages it works very well for them.
Mike Frost has used one in the flat position and another on top vertically. Loves the overall "envelop" of tone.
Experimentation is part of the trade.

Excellent - thanks Jeff!

 

[ChrisWright]

No I haven't... I hope to soon.....

I bought two of these a couple of months ago and could not be happier with them. Have use them for fairly large gigs and I am getting very positive feedback about my tone.I like that they can cut through the stage volume without being harsh sounding.

 

[ChrisWright]

I also had an Eden 410XLT. Beast of a cab and i loved it but sold it to get a Bergantino NV215. I still have the Berg but bought a Genzler 12-3 a while ago as I was also tired of lugging around a 100 pound cab. I'm powering the 12-3 with a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0. I have an 8 piece Motown/Soul band with a heavy handed drummer. I run through the PA for any sized venue and use the 12-3 as my stage monitor though it would do fine carrying a small room even with my drummer. The 12-3 is a great cab. Just bought a second one (see pic a few posts above) for bigger outdoor stages. Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with the 12-3

I am also using. 9.0 (w 2 of them). I am delighted.

 

[ChrisWright]

I am new to this thread and returning to TB after many years away, so I hope you will forgive me for asking a relatively simple question.

I am about to retire my old Eden WT head and large Eden 4x10 cabinet that I purchased over 20 years ago. They have given me incredible service but the head now requires an expensive repair and the cabinet is simply too large and heavy.

A few months ago I had the great experience of visiting the Sadowsky showroom in NYC and spent a couple of hours auditioning basses through a Genzler rig that they had there. I was very impressed and although can't remember the exact configuration I believe it was the 800W amp through some version of BA cabinet. I am now thinking of replacing my tired Eden rig with a Genzler amp and single cabinet. I am trying to decide between the two amps and the 2x10 or 1x12 and could use some advice about what to consider between these two cabinets/amps. I am playing quite small venues now (small bars and cafes) but I do need to compete with 2 guitarists and keyboards as well as the drums. I play both 4 and 5 string basses (about equal time on each).

Thanks so much for your help.

I’m playing a Sadowsky through 2 BA12-3s. Killer.

 

[MattLplaysBass]

Well I finally got this stuff unboxed and checked it out. Pretty impressed, the 12-3 puts out a LOT of low end for a single 12. Also, the amp has a nice “heft” to it- it’s not heavy (well, it is heavy for a class d ), but it doesn’t feel like an empty case like some other amps do. I only messed with it a little though in my bass-ment, but it’s pretty nice overall. The array really brings out them Jaco mids when you play by the bridge (not that I sound anything like Jaco... ), and it really brings out the fretless sound of my NS eub, so of course now I want a fretless too.

Anyways, took advantage of a cyber monday offer and ordered another 12-3 and the carry bag, because I need a 3rd amplification option . Should be here next week.

 

[Djadja]

I am now thinking of replacing my tired Eden rig with a Genzler amp and single cabinet. I am trying to decide between the two amps and the 2x10 or 1x12 and could use some advice about what to consider between these two cabinets/amps. I am playing quite small venues now (small bars and cafes) but I do need to compete with 2 guitarists and keyboards as well as the drums. I play both 4 and 5 string basses (about equal time on each).

Thanks so much for your help.

I haven’t played the 210 so I can’t help with comparing the two... but I can share my experience

My previous rig was a Genz Benz 9.0 and a single 4 ohm Acme B2. The B2 was a bit too pillowy for me and the bottom end overwhelmed the mids and trebles so I went looking for a single replacement cab and considered a number of cabs in the same price/capability range as the BA12-3.I ended up going with the BA12-3 and couldn’t be happier. The bottom end is still big and warm but it is tight and hits hard. The mids are very vocal and the highs smooth with everything being evenly balanced. The wattage dropped by half moving from 4 to 8 ohms but I didn’t hear a volume difference. The BA12 certainly cut better in the mix though.

At the time I was playing in 2 original 4 piece projects, a 7 piece church band, and as a side player for a number of singer songwriters. None of the bands were particularly loud but I would have called the one original project, mid range in volume. The venues were everything from small coffeehouses to the large showcase venue in town and outdoors (with PA support on the last two). I never have had a feeling that the single cab was not enough. If you read through the thread, you’ll see the benefits of stacking two or three - and I hope to add another one day - but I have not felt a real need to do so. How you would respond, I don’t know. Choosing between a single 112 and the 210, you’re really looking at two flavors of wonderful.

After owning the BA12-3 a while, I decided to upgrade from the 9.0 to the Genzler 800 head. As much as I liked the 9.0, the 800 is an upgrade in every way. The notes simply have more authority to them in every register. I think it goes louder... and it has more bells and whistles without sacrificing any of the strengths of the 9.0. If I were buying today, I would consider the 350 as well (it wasn’t out yet when I purchased). I think it would be enough power for my situations and I don’t use the dirty channel so I wouldn’t miss not having that. It is nice though to have the extra power there should I ever need it.

The entire rig is lightweight, sounds great, translate the sound of my different basses perfectly, AND it works great as a rig for my acoustic guitar.

 

[SadowskySteve]

I haven’t played the 210 so I can’t help with comparing the two... but I can share my experience

At the time I was playing in 2 original 4 piece projects, a 7 piece church band, and as a side player for a number of singer songwriters. None of the bands were particularly loud but I would have called the one original project, mid range in volume. The venues were everything from small coffeehouses to the large showcase venue in town and outdoors (with PA support on the last two). I never have had a feeling that the single cab was not enough. If you read through the thread, you’ll see the benefits of stacking two or three - and I hope to add another one day - but I have not felt a real need to do so. How you would respond, I don’t know. Choosing between a single 112 and the 210, you’re really looking at two flavors of wonderful.

I'll take a scoop of each please...... Great write up Revroy!