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Genzler Amplification Club

I know I’m being a little trite but while every cab does have its own character and honestly you can’t go wrong with any of the genzler cabs, I have found the Magellan to be a sonic sculptor. If I’m looking for a sound- there seem to be very few I can’t get using the Magellan.

I have posted this before but I have found the best way is, if you have a looper you can twist the dials till you get what you’re looking for.

All of our tone goals are different, our Basses are different and our playing styles are different so what works for one of us may not work for another - at least in regards to settings.

I also found the contour worked so well that is was months till I started playing with the tone controls and had them pinned at noon.

experiment - I’m sure you will find the punch you’re looking for!
 
Here’s how I think about it. Essentially, I think there are two main ways for conceptually combining cabinets, with a third variation: 1) more of the same, 2) complementary, 3) combined more of the same with complementary.

1) More of the same: this when you have a single cabinet whose sound you like, but you just want more of it. Adding multiples gives you more of that sound, enhanced by whatever coupling effect they may have together. For example, if you like the sound of the MG112T, you might just stack another MG112T on top of it.

2) Complementary: this is when the sounds of different cabinets yield yet another sound when combined. In the Genzler world, an example of this would be the great love expressed for the BA15 combined with the BA210.

3) Combined more of the same with complementary: this is when you have multiple cabinets that are similar but not exactly the same. An example would be combining the BA12 Straight and the BA12 Slant.

Personally, I tend to gravitate towards a full range sound that allows my basses to speak from top to bottom. I play 4,5, and 6 string electric basses, fretless, and upright bass. Overall, for what I do, my favorite combination is the BA10 sitting on top of the BA12, which I would consider the complementary approach, as these two cabinets are quite different, despite both being in the BA series.

The BA12 has an exceptional low end for a relatively small cabinet, yet the array speakers provide clarity up top. The main driver is a 12” Faital, and the crossover point is 800Hz.

The BA10 can produce a decent amount of low end, but its strength is really the mids and highs. The main driver is a 10” Eminence, and the crossover point is 1.6KHz.

To my ears, the combination of theses two cabinets, when the BA12 is on the floor, the BA10 on top, and the arrays aligned down the middle, yields a complete sonic spectrum with wide dispersion. I can use any of my basses with it and get a sound I’m happy with. It also excels on outdoor stages, even if there is no PA support.

Regarding combining the MG112T with the MG112T-V, I would consider that in category 3 from above, more of the same with complementary qualities. To my ears, the MG112T has a stronger bass response than the MG112T-V, but they both have a relatively forward sounding midrange, especially when compared to the BA cabinets. When combining the 112T and the 112T-V, I usually turn off the tweeter on the 112T, and, if I’m using a tweeter at all, just use the tweeter on the 112T-V at usually no more than 25%. I tend to use this combination with either an Aguilar TH500 or a Mesa D800, as this combination of speakers likes to see a little more power, and the bottom end opens up when the amp’s bass control is tuned around 40Hz. (The MG cabinets also respond well the the Mesa’s Deep switch without getting out of hand in the low end.) This combination has good punch for a more traditional rock tone, but it can be versatile for other kinds of music as well with the right EQ tweakings.

A big difference in the BA12 cab and the MG12 cabs is that the crossover point is 4.7kHz in the MGs.

Of course, having different cabinets gives you options for using individual cabinets and combinations. Alone, I tend to use the BA10 for upright bass and/or on small stages where I know there is FOH support. I use the 112T-V in a combo format with the MG350 head on small to medium size stages, especially if the stage or room can get boomy. It also works well in churches that have a lot of natural reverb. If it’s a larger room, outdoors, or where I want the finer nuances of playing to be clearly audible, I’ll go with the BA10/BA12 stack.

I’ll also add that I generally do not lift my cabinet(s) off the floor, but I understand that other people do and for good reason. I hope at least some of this is helpful.

Thank you.
Extremely appreciate the in depth response. Great info to help me decide.
 
So I had the little rig all plugged in and running. At quiet volume and light playing, it sounds great. Great response, nice clarity, clean down low. However, when I kind of started to dig in, complete opposite of what I have to have. The speakers farted out, couldn’t handle even the slightest bit of pushing. I have the amp gain at 3, volume set to 12 o’clock, eq is flat, mid frequency set to about 600, tried the a/b switch for the modern/classic shape, and this awe full tube type distortion. I hope that isn’t the intention of the Genzler amps is give a tube tone. If so, wow did I pick the wrong amp
 
So I had the little rig all plugged in and running. At quiet volume and light playing, it sounds great. Great response, nice clarity, clean down low. However, when I kind of started to dig in, complete opposite of what I have to have. The speakers farted out, couldn’t handle even the slightest bit of pushing. I have the amp gain at 3, volume set to 12 o’clock, eq is flat, mid frequency set to about 600, tried the a/b switch for the modern/classic shape, and this awe full tube type distortion. I hope that isn’t the intention of the Genzler amps is give a tube tone. If so, wow did I pick the wrong amp
When you say gain at 3, do you mean 3 o’clock? And volume at noon? For me that would be crazy loud. I don’t think I’ve had either one past noon.
 
Go back a few pages. We were all sharing our settings. Here is mine.
I don’t have anything near 3 especially my gain and master!
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Also cannot imagine needing volume or gain to 3pm. The drive channel is intended to simulate an old school saturated kind of sound. If you don’t want that sound stick to the other channel that doesn’t use that sound. It does both things. I would say personally it does the squeaky clean sound a lot better than the old school saturated sound.
 
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Here’s mine

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when I was looking for more mid punch…
Thanks for the pic - I have a very similar set up as far as ratios of B/M/T - although not as extreme on the mid positions. I have them about 10&2. Works very well - I just feel I’m
Missing a little bit. Of course it’s all subjective, & as much as I love the Magellan - the simple fact that there is another option from Genzler for me to try basically means I just have to try it.

Decided from the moment I first got my rig that this was the brand for me. So - I feel I just to have to explore the options available.
Only reason I’d ever switch brands now is if Jeff decided to start another company. Ha!
 
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Thanks for the pic - I have a very similar set up as far as ratios of B/M/T - although not as extreme on the mid positions. I have them about 10&2. Works very well - I just feel I’m
Missing a little bit. Of course it’s all subjective, & as much as I love the Magellan - the simple fact that there is another option from Genzler for me to try basically means I just have to try it.

Decided from the moment I first got my rig that this was the brand for me. So - I feel I just to have to explore the options available.
Only reason I’d ever switch brands now is if Jeff decided to start another company. Ha!
Yes, good to have options.
What I am seeing is that once a player gets used to the sound from a bass array, it is difficult to perceive a non-array cab as normal. Anyone making the transition from an array cab to a non-array cab, I suggest give your ears some time to adjust, as they can sound good too. And the same applies when transitioning from a non-array cab to an array cab. It is just that the paper cone driver array has a different sound than a cab with a horn.
 
So I had the little rig all plugged in and running. At quiet volume and light playing, it sounds great. Great response, nice clarity, clean down low. However, when I kind of started to dig in, complete opposite of what I have to have. The speakers farted out, couldn’t handle even the slightest bit of pushing. I have the amp gain at 3, volume set to 12 o’clock, eq is flat, mid frequency set to about 600, tried the a/b switch for the modern/classic shape, and this awe full tube type distortion. I hope that isn’t the intention of the Genzler amps is give a tube tone. If so, wow did I pick the wrong amp
If I remember correctly, you’re running an MG350 into a pair of PJB cabs. Not sure which cabs they are but running that much preamp gain could very likely be clipping the amp. 3 o’clock is very aggressive for preamp gain and I’d be surprised if the clip light isn’t shining like the sun! Then running the master at noon on top of that has me thinking your cabs are farting out because they’re begging for mercy.

These amps are clean. The MG800 has a distortion channel but the 350 shouldn’t be introducing that type of tubey overdrive sound, but I’ll be honest and say I’ve never gone beyond 11 on the preamp so I may be speaking out of turn here (and assume someone way smarter than I will correct me).

When I want clean and loud, I buy more watts and let the amp breeze through what I’m asking it to do. The 350 gets loud but you may be asking more of it than it’s capable of.
 
Sorry. Not 3 o’clock. On 3 or I guess at 9 o’clock. Preamp is set vey low with gain at 12 o’clock. Then I tried reversing them and had the same response. BTW- the cabs are the PBJ Cab27 and Cab47. 2x7 on top of a 4x7 cab

Edit - watts isn’t the issue. The issue is more speaker for the watts I have.
 
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My MG350/BA10-2 combo and additional BA10-2 arrived Friday, safe and sound (Jeff uses very sturdy packaging)! My next gig is Tuesday in the venue where I've used the MG350/MG12T-V combo several times. I think I'll bring both BA10-2s and try one cabinet first set and both cabinets second set. I'm looking forward to seeing how the BA10-2s compare to the MG12T-V in this venue. More to follow...

Bob