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Genzler Amplification Club

come on in @Fishface , the water is wonderfully warm and the hang tremendous
Yes... it is, yet only virtually. ;)
Yet I really enjoy the TB hang, but mostly quietly in the corner. I tend to keep quiet until I have something to add.

I really enjoy being in a person's presence and getting to know them.
The internet back/forth is only virtual.
But NY is a bit of a trek from CO. Jeff seems like a great guy so I can only "admire from afar".
I did get to speak with Jeff on the phone the other day with a minor Genzler problem I'm experiencing, and he gave a helpful suggestion which I still need to work on (I need time). It was a pleasure to speak with him.
 
I still can't get over the shock when I dial Genzler's number and hear, after a couple rings, "Hi, this is Jeff...." instead of, "All of our agents are currently berating other would-be customers. Your call is very important to us. Please press 1 if you still have some hope of speaking with a human who cares, 2 if you think there's a remote possibility of human yet unfruitful interaction, or 3 to accept defeat and be disconnected after listening to 30 minutes of grating hold-non-music. Thank you for calling, and we look forward to frustrating you."... You know....most businesses these days.
 
Live - Tonight and Tomorrow in Derry, NH!
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Hi everyone!

Quick question. Does anyone know if the fx return input on the new Kinetix amp can take a lot of signal?

For smaller gigs with my own rig (currently GR 210V and GR Pure Amp 800) I'd like to connect the end of my board which I normally use with backline amps > Kinetix FX return > GR 210V.

My Bass is a passive P Bass with Bill Lawrence pickups, and I like to use a MOOG MF-101 on my board to drive the signal.
On my small mackie mixer at home if I use the MOOG I normally have to reduce the gain on the mixer by -20dB in order for it not to clip.

Any info greatly appreciated!!
 
I’m pretty sure the effects return is full line level. Check the owner’s manual.
Thanks @agedhorse ! I'm very ignorant with tech stuff, but trying to learn more all the time.
I'm not sure what "full line level" means exactly?

On the back of the amp it has this written:
"RECEIVE (POWERAMP IN) (LINE LEVEL)"

The Kinetix manual says the following, but doesn't give numerical figures in terms of specs for the fx loop.

1.
EFX LOOP – A rear panel effects loop (SEND and RECEIVE jacks) is provided for connecting “serial” outboard devices such as compressors ... This loop is located right before the MASTER volume control and is also intended as a Preamp Out / Power Amp In connection for possible “chaining” of amplifiers in a Master / Slave configuration. The effects loop contains a “normal switch” in the RECEIVE jack that interrupts the signal path when a plug is inserted into the RECEIVE jack. The SEND jack may be used for an aux. output without breaking the signal path.

2.
MASTER – This control adjusts the overall volume of the amplifier and also adjusts the input level of the EFX LOOP RECEIVE and AUX IN jacks. Typically, the best results are obtained when this control is operated between the 9:00 and 3:00 positions.
 
Thanks @agedhorse ! I'm very ignorant with tech stuff, but trying to learn more all the time.
I'm not sure what "full line level" means exactly?

On the back of the amp it has this written:
"RECEIVE (POWERAMP IN) (LINE LEVEL)"

The Kinetix manual says the following, but doesn't give numerical figures in terms of specs for the fx loop.

1.
EFX LOOP – A rear panel effects loop (SEND and RECEIVE jacks) is provided for connecting “serial” outboard devices such as compressors ... This loop is located right before the MASTER volume control and is also intended as a Preamp Out / Power Amp In connection for possible “chaining” of amplifiers in a Master / Slave configuration. The effects loop contains a “normal switch” in the RECEIVE jack that interrupts the signal path when a plug is inserted into the RECEIVE jack. The SEND jack may be used for an aux. output without breaking the signal path.

2.
MASTER – This control adjusts the overall volume of the amplifier and also adjusts the input level of the EFX LOOP RECEIVE and AUX IN jacks. Typically, the best results are obtained when this control is operated between the 9:00 and 3:00 positions.
Hello @ One Two --- thanks for your interst in the Kinetix 800. I believe your Moog MF 101 should work fine in the Effects Loop of the amp. Looking at the spec sheet for the Moog, it has Input and Output controls which should allow you to keep your level in an appropriate range and should work fine with the Line Level of the effects loop.
You could also send me a PM or email and we can discuss in more detail to your specific requirement. Our engineer Scott Andres and myself would be best to guide you with your questions.
I hope this helps.
 
Hello @ One Two --- thanks for your interst in the Kinetix 800. I believe your Moog MF 101 should work fine in the Effects Loop of the amp. Looking at the spec sheet for the Moog, it has Input and Output controls which should allow you to keep your level in an appropriate range and should work fine with the Line Level of the effects loop.
You could also send me a PM or email and we can discuss in more detail to your specific requirement. Our engineer Scott Andres and myself would be best to guide you with your questions.
I hope this helps.

Hi Jeff,
I'll send a PM now.
Thanks so much!
 
this video came across my feed today and I thought it was helpful to understand line arrays and perhaps what is going on with our BA cabs


@Djadja ---Great, simple discussion. It is most interesting the way he has boiled down all of the technical measurements to the most important element, our ears and how we hear sound with these 2 measurment devices. So much of what he discusses does have a direct corrrelation to the BASS ARRAY cabinet design AND most importantly --- using the Line Array for the frequencies we've chosen, and NOT the full spectrum of the audio signal.

In general, with product design we discuss this all the time particularly when discussing "flat" response. Our ears are not flat response measuremeant devices, and their location on our heads as well. Generally we seem to hear mid frequencies much easier than those on the extremes, and at the far extremes we"feel" those response more than hear them --- other "human" measurement devices are involved there. Not human, but think of the elephants. Check that out.

Thanks again for sharing this.