Genzler Amplification Club

[Lowendtech]

Yeah.

 

[Hawk620]

Yup. Congrats to Jeff and Genzler on this one. Could be a huge seller.

 

[John D Harris]

@Jeff Genzler -

Can I run a modeler into the "Aux In" of an MG-350 since it doesn't have an FX loop to bypass the preamp section of the amp and still get the full output available from the amp?

I'm considering using the 350 combo in place of an active PA cab to use with a Two Notes Opus.

How much difference do you think in tone would that make compared to running the Opus into the instrument input jack?

Thanks!

 

[5StringPocket]

Some of all of this was used, along with past knowledge from previous designs, as well. We've designed several offset and stacked 2x12 cabs over the decades, each having their unique character. There is still a lot of chatter for both the UBER 212 and the NEOX212 from days gone by, along with other GB variations, and now with the MG, NC and BA series, there is a throughline with all of this to some extent.

I had an Uber 212 and loved its bass and low mid response, but it had a dip in the upper mids before the tweeter came in. This BA 212 solves that issue, is lighter and handles more power. Nice work! This looks like an excellent addition to the lineup.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

@Jeff Genzler -

Can I run a modeler into the "Aux In" of an MG-350 since it doesn't have an FX loop to bypass the preamp section of the amp and still get the full output available from the amp?

I'm considering using the 350 combo in place of an active PA cab to use with a Two Notes Opus.

How much difference do you think in tone would that make compared to running the Opus into the instrument input jack?

Thanks!

@John D Harris ---thanks for the question. Yes you can use the Aux un for this purpose. And you can also run into the front end. To keep the flatest response possible, you can roll off the Contour control and keep all EQ settings at noon. You can experiment with either routing. Let me know how it works for you.

 

[Joeykun]

Nice rig shot from our NY show!

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Nice rig shot from our NY show!
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You are always rocking nice stages. Great stage presentation.

 

[TheBass]

212s are a very good sounding format, at least for me. It's just the right amount of cone area for any rehearsal and stage situation in a band for good low end fundament. On the other hand they are not to big to lug and schlepp. If you need to go larger then you will most likely need a PA anyway.

My recommendations are based on my Glockenklang Double Art only because I guess it will take some time until a 212 genzler cab makes it to Germany to check out. I'd love to A/B both soon.

 

[tombowlus]

Coming from the design team, there is more difference than similarities with the Streamliner and Kinetix. While they both use a 3 tube preamp running at 300 volts, the Kinetix offers more versatility along with ease of changing your tone. The 3 position switch along with the 5 band EQ network are the biggest differences you would notice from the player interface with these amps. We feel the Streamliner was more "voiced" than the Kinetix.
And for getting a pristine, clean tone, that is easily achieved with the Kinetix (somewhat dependent upon your instrument) ---- running the GAIN lower, raising the GAIN Vol higher along with the Master Vol set higher. Would not be afraid from using the BOOST switch as well, which does not automatically mean distortion or overdrive. It is nice to use when going for a cleaner tone as well.
Hope this might be helpful.

+1 What Jeff said. I know the Streamliners gelled with a lot of players, but personally, I was not one of them. I couldn't dial out the voicing, and it wasn't a tone profile that I normally go for - though, again, I fully respect that it was spot-on for many players. I find the Kinetix to be super versatile, and I love that it can (easily) do the "Hi-Fi tube thing," if you want, or a more aggressive tube tone. IME/IMHO, it's a tone more flexible than the Streamliner.

 

[Joeykun]

Tonight in snowy VT! Let’s Go

 

[Hawk620]

Just ordered a 4 on the Floor. Anxious to try it out once it arrives later in the week.

 

[Moonskunk]

I need a bit of input here from the group. I presently have two BA 10 series 2 cabs that I am using with a Kinetix head. I have an opportunity to pick up a nice Mesa SW 115 cab in perfect condition for a good price and was wondering how well it would mesh with the 2 10" Genzler arrays on top of it. I use to own a SW 115 a few years ago and it was very efficient as I remember. I wonder if the SW 115 would tend to drown out the 2 10" arrays or if it would be a good blend with a deeper bottom end from the contribution of the SW 115. I guess I could even turn off the tweeter on the SW 115 if it were recommended. Any thoughts?

 

[Rev_Slinky]

I need a bit of input here from the group. I presently have two BA 10 series 2 cabs that I am using with a Kinetix head. I have an opportunity to pick up a nice Mesa SW 115 cab in perfect condition for a good price and was wondering how well it would mesh with the 2 10" Genzler arrays on top of it. I use to own a SW 115 a few years ago and it was very efficient as I remember. I wonder if the SW 115 would tend to drown out the 2 10" arrays or if it would be a good blend with a deeper bottom end from the contribution of the SW 115. I guess I could even turn off the tweeter on the SW 115 if it were recommended. Any thoughts?

I don't have any direct experience with the cabs you currently have, but if you've got a chance to pick up a Mesa SW 115 for a good price, I don't think you can go wrong with that decision. It's a great cab all in its own. Try it out and let us know how it goes!

 

[Moonskunk]

As stated before, I owned the SW 115 once before so I already know it's a great cabinet on its own or when combined with another Mesa SW cabinet. My question pertains to the volume compatibility, quality of the mix when used with the two Genzler 10" series 2 arrays and if I would benefit by turning the tweeter completely off, or if I should just pass and eventually add a 12" array.

 

[agedhorse]

As stated before, I owned the SW 115 once before so I already know it's a great cabinet on its own or when combined with another Mesa SW cabinet. My question pertains to the volume compatibility, quality of the mix when used with the two Genzler 10" series 2 arrays and if I would benefit by turning the tweeter completely off, or if I should just pass and eventually add a 12" array.

I think you will find that it’s well within the ballpark sensitivity wise, and elevating the BA-10’s will also be a beneficial advantage.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

As stated before, I owned the SW 115 once before so I already know it's a great cabinet on its own or when combined with another Mesa SW cabinet. My question pertains to the volume compatibility, quality of the mix when used with the two Genzler 10" series 2 arrays and if I would benefit by turning the tweeter completely off, or if I should just pass and eventually add a 12" array.

@Moonskunk ---Thank you for continuing to use our little BA10-2-S2 cabs. From our perspective, if you're OK with the size of the Subway 15" cab (verses and eventual BA12") I think that 15 would offer a very good LF foundation to your overall stack ---- especially if you plan to use both of the small BA10 cabs on top. As Andy mentioned, their combined output would probably be a very good match sensitivity wise, and also if they're on top of the 15" cab, at more ear level. And I alwasy recommend turning down the tweeter when blending traditional cabs with Bass Array cabs, so that you do get the full benefit of their smoothness in the upper mid and top end clarity. I have used the BA2-115-3SLT under these smaller BA10 cabs and that does make a pretty substantial rig.
Hope this is helpful.

 

[Moonskunk]

@Moonskunk ---Thank you for continuing to use our little BA10-2-S2 cabs. From our perspective, if you're OK with the size of the Subway 15" cab (verses and eventual BA12") I think that 15 would offer a very good LF foundation to your overall stack ---- especially if you plan to use both of the small BA10 cabs on top. As Andy mentioned, their combined output would probably be a very good match sensitivity wise, and also if they're on top of the 15" cab, at more ear level. And I alwasy recommend turning down the tweeter when blending traditional cabs with Bass Array cabs, so that you do get the full benefit of their smoothness in the upper mid and top end clarity. I have used the BA2-115-3SLT under these smaller BA10 cabs and that does make a pretty substantial rig.
Hope this is helpful.

Thanks Jeff, very helpful. By turning down the tweeter I assume you mean off completely?

 

[agedhorse]

Thanks Jeff, very helpful. By turning down the tweeter I assume you mean off completely?

Not necessarily, in the case of the Subway cabinets specifically, the tweeters aren’t overwhelming or intrusive.

Of course some tweeters are overly bright and intrusive, and this wouldn’t apply to those cabinets.

The bass array cabinet’s take on an extended mid array is another (and different) way to avoid overbearing, intrusive tweeters. This common theme is not surprising given both Jeff’s and my background.

 

[Moonskunk]

Not necessarily, in the case of the Subway cabinets specifically, the tweeters aren’t overwhelming or intrusive.

Of course some tweeters are overly bright and intrusive, and this wouldn’t apply to those cabinets.

The bass array cabinet’s take on an extended mid array is another (and different) way to avoid overbearing, intrusive tweeters. This common theme is not surprising given both Jeff’s and my background.

Thanks, great information

 

[Hawk620]

My 4 On The Floor arrived today. Should get a chance to work with it later this evening.