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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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Sounds very expensive! Oh, wait, you're not in the US.

Except I am in the US owing to a number of complexities that remain unresolved at this writing. And personally very clear inside about the difference where I am home and where I am here in December 2019. "Mind the Gap" is a real consideration when the train pulls in.

Speaking of trains, so many movies with trains but one train that goes on New Year's Eve is in Trading Places. Feeling good, Ray.


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I can only imagine how fantastic dark green would look in person.
Never seen it in the wood, but I did see photos of the 4005 after Kenny got it and brought it back to life, so to speak. He had the bass finished a really dark green (feverishly looking for pics but not sure if I saved them........).
 
...Just because someone is stellar in one genre, there's no reason to expect they'll be very good outside of that.

The thing I learned from that experience is that the role of these instruments (both drums and bass) is very different in jazz than in rock.

...Someone here once suggested that the key to playing any genre is to learn jazz first. Nothing could be more wrong.
I agree with your first two points.

Not so sure about that last one, though.

I agree that you can’t simply step into rock (or any other style of music) with a jazz approach, and expect to fit in. If a jazz musician fails to immerse themselves in a new genre, they’ll never sound authentic. But they do come to the table with a physical command of their instrument, an ability to improvise, and a knowledge of practical, applied theory that makes it easier to learn new styles.

That was my experience, anyway. I started out playing pop tunes, and struggled to cope with the demands of more demanding material. A year of immersion in a college jazz program was like boot camp. It got me faster on my feet, gave me the ear training to understand what I was hearing, and the confidence to pass auditions that led to a host of other opportunities.

It’s been so long since I played any traditional jazz, that I would struggle with even a simple covers gig. But the vocabulary and the fluency that it gave me have carried me through everything else I’ve ever done.
 
I agree with your first two points.

Not so sure about that last one, though.

I agree that you can’t simply step into rock (or any other style of music) with a jazz approach, and expect to fit in. If a jazz musician fails to immerse themselves in a new genre, they’ll never sound authentic. But they do come to the table with a physical command of their instrument, an ability to improvise, and a knowledge of practical, applied theory that makes it easier to learn new styles.

That was my experience, anyway. I started out playing pop tunes, and struggled to cope with the demands of more demanding material. A year of immersion in a college jazz program was like boot camp. It got me faster on my feet, gave me the ear training to understand what I was hearing, and the confidence to pass auditions that led to a host of other opportunities.

It’s been so long since I played any traditional jazz, that I would struggle with even a simple covers gig. But the vocabulary and the fluency that it gave me have carried me through everything else I’ve ever done.
Well, what they come to the table with and what they come to my jams with are two different things, so I'd be wise to just leave it there.

I guess it's certainly possible that they can learn rock stylings through osmosis, but the guy I am married to so far has not done that. He has chops out the wazoo, but he has no feel for the genre, and it's not like he hasn't tried to learn.

He wants to learn, but his dabblings into my territory have been so painful for both of us that we have a rule now that we will never try to work together in any serious capacity, because it's difficult and painful for me when he tries to play rock and I feel like I have to bite my tongue about all the ways he gets it wrong.
 
Well, what they come to the table with and what they come to my jams with are two different things, so I'd be wise to just leave it there.

I guess it's certainly possible that they can learn rock stylings through osmosis, but the guy I am married to so far has not done that. He has chops out the wazoo, but he has no feel for the genre, and it's not like he hasn't tried to learn.

He wants to learn, but his dabblings into my territory have been so painful for both of us that we have a rule now that we will never try to work together in any serious capacity, because it's difficult and painful for me when he tries to play rock and I feel like I have to bite my tongue about all the ways he gets it wrong.

Even a jam requires a good “rock” solid drumming foundation. It doesn’t have to be more about the “roll” improvisation.

Years ago when Phil Collins was popular, charity concert promoters would bring him in to guest on songs. The problem is, Phil didn’t always learn the songs. This really ticked off Jimmy Page off, enough was enough, and he let Phil have it in an interview. It’s important to learn the song!

Why not try bringing the jam to the drummer rather have the drummer bring the rock’n’roll to the song. Encourage him learn and play just one rock song well. Build some nice fills around that for jamming. Then have others play around that. Then learn another rock song and eventually build up a repertoire of song, one step at a time. As Phil demonstrated, you can’t always get away with faking it.

There’s an entertaining Levon Helm drumming video at Homespun where he talks about his approach to playing different styles.
 
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I remember the Clavioline which is a surprise considering my memory gaps. :hyper:

On the subject of surprises: I have been updating the Macs (five soon to be six.) in my home. It all started when Dorothy’s Flat Panel iMac, the one with the dome with the flexible arm holding the screen, went to join Steve in the sky. Having had a frustrating time but with sone success it was suggested that I might want to take a course on the admin side. I looked one up and, for a virtual three day course, the price was $2100!!!!! That is so far above my means that I was gobsmacked! :(

I’m sulking now! :rollno:

I wonder if there’s a book? Hmmmm!
 
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Got it! A big yellow book called MacOS For Dummies. LOL

Paul, if you want to learn more about MasOS after you get done with the book, there are many opportunities. MacOS is built on top of freeBSD and there is a bash shell built in. bash is very powerful. With it, you automate things you want to do, build your own commands, etc.

Good luck and happy learning!
 
Got it! A big yellow book called MacOS For Dummies. LOL

For upgrades, I find that the support apple pages can be helpful. It can be very frustrating dealing with issues.

Whenever possible, copy your files and applications onto an external hard disk (I like using USB solid state drives, they are inexpensive), then do a clean install of the entire OS rather than an incremental upgrade. The OS loads over the internet.
 
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