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#201
DJ,
I gotcha, and I certainly don't want to sit here and come off like I care whatyou think about Taylor Swift. I can't stand her music, as in I get a little sick to my stomach when I hear it. I'm a country fan, and I could go on for hours about why I can't stand her or the music she represents. All I was saying is that saying someone was incorrect for attributing album sales and other commercial measures to success I think is wrong. I may hate to admit it myself sometimes, but people who like music I hate feel the same way aobut it as I do the music I love, and in that case there favorite artist is no worse than any of mine.
 
#202
I see where you're coming from Lousybassplayer. My point wasn't that album sales and commercial measures aren't a measurement of success, but that they're not the only measures of success. That some bands can indeed be successful without ever having huge numbers of sales and so on and so forth.
I also have to admit, most of the country music I like is actually the more mainstream country, the Garth Brookes and Alan Jacksons of the world! lol

Since success is defined as achieving goals you set out to achieve, how can one even compare the success of one band to another, without initially knowing what they set out to do?


Sloasdaylight, I didn't say Taylor Swift wasn't successful. I can see the exact statement you interpreted as meaning that. My point was that what is seen as a success for her is in no way related to what I would consider the markers of what makes my own music successful. Obviously, if her goal was to "make a bucket load of cash", she's done pretty damn well. Thats not my goal, if I make a bucket load of cash, brilliant, but its not even on the radar when I consider my actual goals in music - what it would take for my music to be a success is totally different.
 
#204
scorpionldr said:
I love how a musical genre's qualifications for people can be based on whether or not the person is living in poverty or not. Cuz after all, THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT, RIGHT?

Grindcore is more of an extension of punk rock than anything to me, just focused on pushing the envelope as far as you can. Its done by playing faster, harder, and coming up with thoroughly more developed material. Blast beats, double bass, and fast changes are all part of it.

Examples: Extreme Noise Terror

Its hardcore punk with musicians that know how to play, rather than musicians that write everything half-@$$ed, can't play for ****, and the only qualification they have is an attitude.
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This stuff is awesome. Have any more to share?
 
#206
dj150888 said:
Sloasdaylight, I didn't say Taylor Swift wasn't successful. I can see the exact statement you interpreted as meaning that. My point was that what is seen as a success for her is in no way related to what I would consider the markers of what makes my own music successful. Obviously, if her goal was to "make a bucket load of cash", she's done pretty damn well. Thats not my goal, if I make a bucket load of cash, brilliant, but its not even on the radar when I consider my actual goals in music - what it would take for my music to be a success is totally different.
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How do you know that was her main goal?

The main thing I just take issue with with what you're saying is that you're constantly making assumptions with nothing to back them up, then trying to say that they're the truth. You already got proved wrong with your assertion that she has no creative control over her music. Then you said that some one looking back fondly on a Taylor Swift concert and smiling sentimentally is a completely different emotional connection to what you consider a legitimate reaction to the music they were listening to at the time, and that it was a connection to their child hood and not the music. The arrogance of that is just astounding. Now you're asserting that her main goal with her music is just to make crap tons of money, which, again, is a massive assertion that you don't know one way or the other about.

Also, for the record, I don't give a damn about Taylor Swift, you could interchange her for any artist this this conversation and I'd say the same thing. I also think you're more or less a cool guy (as I've already said), but I just think you're way off base here.
 
#208
sloasdaylight said:
How do you know that was her main goal?

The main thing I just take issue with with what you're saying is that you're constantly making assumptions with nothing to back them up, then trying to say that they're the truth. You already got proved wrong with your assertion that she has no creative control over her music. Then you said that some one looking back fondly on a Taylor Swift concert and smiling sentimentally is a completely different emotional connection to what you consider a legitimate reaction to the music they were listening to at the time, and that it was a connection to their child hood and not the music. The arrogance of that is just astounding. Now you're asserting that her main goal with her music is just to make crap tons of money, which, again, is a massive assertion that you don't know one way or the other about.

Also, for the record, I don't give a damn about Taylor Swift, you could interchange her for any artist this this conversation and I'd say the same thing. I also think you're more or less a cool guy (as I've already said), but I just think you're way off base here.
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Sorry, but go back and read the sentence you highlighted. I said IF she aimed to make a bucketload of cash, she's obviously been successful. If that wasn't her aim, we don't know if shes been successful or not. I asserted nothing of the sorts about her goals, I merely stated that if that WAS her goal, shes been very successful!

And the comment about looking back at your childhood is nothing to do with the fact that its Taylor Swift or any other music aimed at the young market. The point was that looking back at your childhood and smiling sentimentally at something you did then isn't the same thing as looking back at an occasion that just happened to be during your childhood. The difference being that in one, the emotional connection comes from the fact that it was your childhood, in the other, the emotional connection is to the event itself.

I'm having trouble articulating what I mean exactly, but I hope you can get the point from this.
 
#209
dj150888 said:
Sorry, but go back and read the sentence you highlighted. I said IF she aimed to make a bucketload of cash, she's obviously been successful. If that wasn't her aim, we don't know if shes been successful or not. I asserted nothing of the sorts about her goals, I merely stated that if that WAS her goal, shes been very successful!

And the comment about looking back at your childhood is nothing to do with the fact that its Taylor Swift or any other music aimed at the young market. The point was that looking back at your childhood and smiling sentimentally at something you did then isn't the same thing as looking back at an occasion that just happened to be during your childhood. The difference being that in one, the emotional connection comes from the fact that it was your childhood, in the other, the emotional connection is to the event itself.

I'm having trouble articulating what I mean exactly, but I hope you can get the point from this.
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I don't, but I don't really have much interest in going much further, cause I have a feeling we'll just wind up talking ourselves into circles.
 
#210
You seem to think that making cash is the main marker of success, state that Taylor Swift has been successful, then when I essentially say, "she's made a bucketload of cash, if that was her intent, she's been pretty successful", I'm making assumptions?

You're right, this is going nowhere.
 
#211
Rudreax said:
This stuff is awesome. Have any more to share?
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As far as band names go?

Exhumed
Impaled
Cock and Ball Torture (yes, I know, horrible name, those crazed Germans...)
Napalm Death (the origin!)
Agoraphobic Nosebleed (if your into machine gun midi drums)
Carcass (another origin of grindcore band)
Terrorizer
The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza (Not quite just grindcore, not quite just hardcore/metalcore, not quite just mathcore, just pure shredding madness)
Cattle Decapitation
Brutal Truth
DRI (Dirty Rotten Imbeciles; more of a punk band, but their earliest material clocks in at some record speeds)
The Locust
Spazz (Powerviolence really, but it grinds indeed)
The Berzerker
Genghis Tron

Electrocutionerdz is a really abstract band....completely E-Grind (all computer instrumentation). Good material tho, even tho it does sound a little ring-tone-y.
Xrin Arms is cool, regardless of whether or not I heard a friend say it sounded like a guy making music by changing the play speeds of a whole collection of vinyl

he's getting more into making rap beats lately tho.
Popping in any of these names into google or youtube will spout a bunch of interesting results.
 
#215
Really? Every generation produces crap. It just so happens that it's alot easier for my generations crap is easier to get out. IMO, there is more good music being produced than ever before, you just have to find it.

EDIT: oh yeah, and I think that most every member in every grindcore band could play circles around nearly every classic rock musician.
 
#216
Originally Posted by LaklandBass
Are you nuts? Do you have memory issues? Does the mouse on your computer not work? Dude, go read your original post. Not insulting? Not bringing anyone down?



Then you talk about icons only coming from your day? Really? How narrow of a view can you possibly have?
I figure since we're on a bass forum we'll discuss bass players and some guitarists.

So hmmmmmm, no icons or people worth mentioning since back in the day........
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden?
Cliff Burton of Metallica?
Dave Ellefson of Megadeth?
Bill Gould of Faith No More?
Ryan of Mudvayne?
Stuart Zender of Jamiroquai?
Vic Wooten?
Bill Dickens?
Flea of RHCP?

I guess theres no guitarists worth mentioning as Iconic either.....
Oh wait...
Slash?
BOTH players from Dragonforce?
Kirk Hammet?
Kerry King?
Jeff Hanneman?
Jeff Loomis?
Dave Mustaine?
Robb Flynn?
ALL members of Protest the Hero?
The Human Abstract?


No vocalists either i suppose.....
Hansi Kursch is all I really need to mention for this one.


Have you heard of any of these players? Probably not for most of them. So I guess they arent worth mentioning.



They are worth mentioning I guess, thing is while I have not heard of your icons, you have heard of all of mine.

Mick Jagger
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
James Brown
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Aretha Franklin
James Brown
Sly Stone
Neil Young
John Lennon






I wonder why:smug:
 
#217
bluewine said:
They are worth mentioning I guess, thing is while I have not heard of your icons, you have heard of all of mine. I wonder why
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We've heard of your icons because they get a lot of mainstream attention, and you haven't heard of his icons because you don't like the type of music they make, and most of them don't get nearly the same level of mainstream attention, radio play, etc.
 
#220
Joospocks said:
We've heard of your icons because they get a lot of mainstream attention, and you haven't heard of his icons because you don't like the type of music they make, and most of them don't get nearly the same level of mainstream attention, radio play, etc.
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You make a good point, and it's hard for me to make a fair comparison. My icons came along back in the days of Top 40 Radio, which went by the way side many years ao.

Keep in mind and I am asuming you were not around in 69.Many of those icons of mine were considered alternative and were played on what we called FM underground.


I am thankful that there ae some younger TBers that get that I am not bashing new music. I will repeat my quote which most of you ignore because you can't rip me apart for it.

"The future of music is in the hands of your generation, the younger generation not the *Pepsi Generation"

* I am a part of The Pepsi generation
 

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