Grindcore

[KayXero]

Yep, that's me. I've never been told I look like Neil Patrick Harris, but he is pretty awesome indeed.

Its like a little bit of NPH and some James van Der Beek.

I swear I never used to watch Dawsons Creek xD

*lying*

 

[NKUSigEp]

Mick Jagger
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
James Brown
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Aretha Franklin
James Brown
Sly Stone
Neil Young
John Lennon

I wonder why[/I]

People have heard of Heidi and Lauren from that show the Hills too, so what? You're a victim of the times. You're older, you like other forms of music. Those are the facts. There are others out there who, get this, don't like what you like. Amazing ain't it? All of that 60's hippy B.S. was about change and doing something no one else had done...so with that as your mantra, why should it have stopped with Jagger and Lennon and Crapton? The train those guys created evolved into many wonderful things, you just got off the ride too soon.

 

[Fuff24]

dude im 24 so i grew up around a lot of the newer genres and stuff...grindcore is trash....and theres a reason these bands make like no money doing it.


i like my hardcore and metal....but some sub genres of these types of music just become garbage after a point.


unless the guitar is very very good...and the double bass and breakdowns are not overused....any cookie monster vocals music tends to sound repetitive as hell after the third song in the set/album


theres a reason certain genres make mad loot and others dont. and i dont think its about objective opinion on what is and isnt good music...after a point humans know what music can be pleasing or not

im a big electronic dance music fan too....please youtube speedcore and tell me how thats even music...im a happy hardcore fan and love upbeat techno...but that craps ridiculous

theres a difference between not liking a certain genre but still recognizing it as good music or muscianship and then on the other hand recognizizng utter nonsense

+1...
grind is not my kind of music, I think it sounds terrible but I respect the musicians because of the large technical ability they have. But technical ability doesn't make music good... songwriting does

 

[bluewine]

People have heard of Heidi and Lauren from that show the Hills too, so what? You're a victim of the times. You're older, you like other forms of music. Those are the facts. There are others out there who, get this, don't like what you like. Amazing ain't it? All of that 60's hippy B.S. was about change and doing something no one else had done...so with that as your mantra, why should it have stopped with Jagger and Lennon and Crapton? The train those guys created evolved into many wonderful things, you just got off the ride too soon.

I am still very much on the ride and have loved everything I have heard on the ride.

You my friend, don't know or have any idea as to what your talking about.

 

[scorpionldr]

They are worth mentioning I guess, thing is while I have not heard of your icons, you have heard of all of mine.

Mick Jagger
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
James Brown
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Aretha Franklin
James Brown
Sly Stone
Neil Young
John Lennon



I wonder why

All members of the "I love you" generation. After a while, thats a bit of a turnoff.

 

[bluewine]

All members of the "I love you" generation. After a while, thats a bit of a turnoff.

Maybe, turn off to who?

 

[SMILEYSIXX]

I didn't get off the first page without reconsidering my respect for most of you.

You don't like a genre? Great. Then stop talking about it. Generalizing an entire genre doesn't make you a discriminating musician, it makes you a close-minded tool. Grindcore's fan base is immature teenagers? That's a personal insult to me as both someone who listens to music and someone who plays music. Just because someone listens to something doesn't define them. Tonight driving home from my grandparents' house, I cranked up some Sunn O))) and jammed. Does that make me a some stoned out metalhead? Not really, considering the fact that I went home and turned on Beethoven.

Not everyone likes everything, but respect is still due. To all you trashing it, let me see you play bass the way some of those guys do. And while you're at it, play a grindcore guitar solo. Not only is defining it trash utterly ignorant, it's disrespectful.

OP, what was your goal with this thread? Troll? Well, mission succeeded. Tip: don't start a thread trashing something just because it's not your style. FWIW, I have a total hhatred for anything country. I didn't start a thread about it, nor do I discount it as "trash". I realize the quality of the musicianship and recognize it as a genre which is no better or worse than anything else. It's just different.

As someone said earlier, it's like a man complaining a tampon doesn't fit him.

 

[bluewine]

a genre which is no better or worse than anything else. It's just different.

So, your saying that grind core is just as good as Beethoven?

 

[shutupdonnie]

And some are the exact opposite, and still no chicks.

It's like I always say: "metal shows: wear your best sleeveless shirt. hot chicks need not apply."

 

[NateS]

So, your saying that grind core is just as good as Beethoven?

yep. I am.

Modern extreme metal has some of the most complex writing and technical necessity there is. Lots of modern extreme metal has direct classical influences. Underneath the distortion and fuzz, the notes played are often times very classical.

 

[Gawd]

I think grindcore is generally very poor, but it is barely a representation of modern metal. The metal genre today is splintered into a ridiculous amount of sub-genres, and most of them have a big following.

The influential metal bands of today I'd say can go toe to toe with the best of rock history. Between The Buried and Me, Dillinger Escape Plan, Animals As Leaders, Mastadon and quite a few more are the heavyweights of metal right now.

The thing about music now that is different about the past, is that with internet age the progression of music has gone into an overdrive. New styles, melding of styles, and ground breaking artists are emerging on almost a daily basis. Things are progressing and progressing fast. The grindcore which you site isn't even very popular anymore, it's already faded.

This is not amateurs playing around, it is actually pushing boundaries and the genre of metal is becoming a very complex craft. See here

 

[scorpionldr]

Maybe, turn off to who?

Turn off to guys that don't want to keep their heads stuck in the clouds. Turn off to people that want to be able to hear something and say its "quality" without someone else pointing out "that was over over 40 years ago".

Grindcore/extreme metal for the most part has always been about taking ourselves at face-value. And to me, thats realistic.

I think that youtube snippet says alot for grindcore artists.

 

[bluewine]

Turn off to guys that don't want to keep their heads stuck in the clouds. Turn off to people that want to be able to hear something and say its "quality" without someone else pointing out "that was over over 40 years ago".

Grindcore/extreme metal for the most part has always been about taking ourselves at face-value. And to me, thats realistic.

I think that youtube snippet says alot for grindcore artists.

I have never heard grind core, but from the posts in this thread, seems like it's 50/50 on like and dislike.

 

[Frank Tuesday]

Grindcore, give me a break.

I am so blessed to have been born in the 50s and came on to the scene with all the wonderful artist in the 60s and 70s one of the most prolific time periods for rock and pop music.

Am I ripping on the caliber of the genres of some of today’s younger musicians?

YES!

I have never heard grind core, but from the posts in this thread, seems like it's 50/50 on like and dislike.

Classic. You're ripping on grindcore and younger musicians, but you have never heard grindcore.

 

[sloasdaylight]

I have never heard grind core, but from the posts in this thread, seems like it's 50/50 on like and dislike.

You're a fool.

It's no wonder now why you're stuck in go nowhere bands.

 

[NKUSigEp]

I am still very much on the ride and have loved everything I have heard on the ride.

You my friend, don't know or have any idea as to what your talking about.

So that's your answer to everyone isn't it? "Grumble grumble grumble, you don't know what you're talking about, blah blah blah." This is typically a decent website with a wealth of information from both young and old TB'ers. Seems like every post you put up though goes down in flames. We generally call those kinds of people "trolls".

 

[mellowgerman]

Listen to pop music from the '60s. Was there ONE really good guitar player in the lot? ONE??? Please, name one who, with critical review, appeared to have any idea how to construct a solo or make project decent tone! Even older EC sounded rough. What made all that music work was the everyone BUT the guitarists. Okay, you're now thinking of Cream - Heck, listen to any old cream - fun, great stuff - but the guitar work was rough at best. Byrds? Same. I think that's why Jimi was such a revelation - he could REALLY play - that forced the other guys to step it up. Then came Santanat and Zep, and suddenly Page started really playing (well, sorta).

My point is this: You love that music because your generation. I came ~10 years after you, so I'm more drawn to '70s music - which, in truth, often sucks. Rather than just pine for the past, I've made a *real* effort to embrace what's good TODAY. Gear today? Better than ever. Music production today? Without DOUBT better than ever. Musicianship? Well, I'll take a studio crew from 2010 over that same crew from 1965 (okay, the Funk Bro's don't count... they were touched by heaven or something). That "teen anger music" of today sounds awful is - well - it's what it's SUPPOSED to do. I am utterly convinced the 90% of folks who listen to grindcore/sludge/death/general annoyancce metal are either teens who want to piss off their parents (Like I did with Sabbath/DP/Zep) or meth heads who just can't grow up. The last 10% our outliers like my buddy here at work Brian - a nerd, a geek - a smart programmer who just happens to like that stuff. Well, good for him. But among musicians? Working musicians? I have yet to meet one who can endure this music. But BW, today's metal is NOT all of today's music. There is more cool music being made today than ever before - the 'net and home recording have allowed a ton of great artists to get their music out - - keep an open mind!

Wow... that went longer than I had expected. Back to work for me!

In regard to guitarists, as well as gear, it's all opinion. In my opinion the two most interesting, creative, talented guitarists I've ever heard (not to mention the two with the best tone) are Jorma Kaukonen and Barry Melton.
Can't touch them in terms of sound and what they played. Check out some live stuff. Might not entail playing 500million notes in every half second, but it just sounds amazing and they came up with it. Imitation might be possible if someone with a lot of extra cash were to buy the same gear and listen to the live shows a hundred times over, but they still aren't creating it.
These threads just keep popping up on this forum... why can't people realize that "the best guitarist" is alll just a matter of opinion?

 

[jive1]

You make a good point, and it's hard for me to make a fair comparison. My icons came along back in the days of Top 40 Radio, which went by the way side many years ao.

Keep in mind and I am asuming you were not around in 69.Many of those icons of mine were considered alternative and were played on what we called FM underground.

I'd like to know how a band can be underground and Top 40. Seems contradictory to me.

 

[KayXero]

I have never heard grind core, but from the posts in this thread, seems like it's 50/50 on like and dislike.

its quite a bit more lop sided than 50/50 in reality =P

So that's your answer to everyone isn't it? "Grumble grumble grumble, you don't know what you're talking about, blah blah blah." This is typically a decent website with a wealth of information from both young and old TB'ers. Seems like every post you put up though goes down in flames. We generally call those kinds of people "trolls".

I wouldnt necessarily say hes a troll. Hes giving his honest opinion. But its odd that he judged grindcore off some kids CL post instead of hearing the music first. I could of applied that CL post to a bunch of different genres if I just changed the word grindcore into something else.

 

[invader3k]

bluewine, have you thought about just retiring and taking up a new hobby? Judging by this and other threads you've started, it seems like you can't deal with the kids doing their thing.