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Grindcore

Chill the ---- out man. You have just pissed off this "immature kid who hasn't matured"......... oh wait! I'm a 33 year old man, single father who gets no support from anyone, Thrash/Death metal bassist, no time to date, never gets a baby sitter, soccer practice attending, dinner cooking, house cleaning, laundry doing all while listening to Napalm Death. I also listen to swing, classic country, rockabilly, ska, soundtracks TO F'ing KID'S SHOWS!!!

People like you, a F'ing cover reader, are a disgrace to musicians. We should be the last group of people to come off telling other which art is good or bad. It is fine a dandy to dislike something, but it doesn't mean that everyone who does like it is an idiot.


Good day sir!

Like I said, it says something about a genre when most of its fans are kids. I know guys into that stuff, and you are an exception.

Its like punk fans vs jazz fans.

Overwhelming majority of punk and any ____core show goers are brats in high school or just out of it.

I wasted my life in scenes in various places enough to know.

vs the majority at a jazz show are...fill in the blank....adults with better heads on their shoulder

Genre and fans go hand and hand sometimes. All im saying

Like what you wanna like. But theres something to the type of audience certain music draws.
 
Are you nuts? Do you have memory issues? Does the mouse on your computer not work? Dude, go read your original post. Not insulting? Not bringing anyone down?



Then you talk about icons only coming from your day? Really? How narrow of a view can you possibly have?
I figure since we're on a bass forum we'll discuss bass players and some guitarists.

So hmmmmmm, no icons or people worth mentioning since back in the day........
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden?
Cliff Burton of Metallica?
Dave Ellefson of Megadeth?
Bill Gould of Faith No More?
Ryan of Mudvayne?
Stuart Zender of Jamiroquai?
Vic Wooten?
Bill Dickens?
Flea of RHCP?

I guess theres no guitarists worth mentioning as Iconic either.....
Oh wait...
Slash?
BOTH players from Dragonforce?
Kirk Hammet?
Kerry King?
Jeff Hanneman?
Jeff Loomis?
Dave Mustaine?
Robb Flynn?
ALL members of Protest the Hero?
The Human Abstract?


No vocalists either i suppose.....
Hansi Kursch is all I really need to mention for this one.


Have you heard of any of these players? Probably not for most of them. So I guess they arent worth mentioning.For

For what it's worth and I am not trying to be a jerk.I may have heard of 2 of them. Thing is, you have heard of everyone on my list.

Mick Jagger
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Aretha Franklin
James Brown
Sly Stone
Neil Young
John Lennon


See where I'm going with this?

Yes. I see that you are trying to say that commercial sales are what defines and validates art. I find that view to be ridiculous coming from a musician with the amount of experience that you have.

And yes... i see that almost all of the people on your list were viewed as drugged out losers by many "adults" during the high point of their careers. Most of them were also thought of as making horrible music by many adults at that time.
Now you and I know that those are all great artists... so why is it that you cant be open minded and appreciate the new generation of musicians pushing the limits of music?
 
Like I said, it says something about a genre when most of its fans are kids. I know guys into that stuff, and you are an exception.

Its like punk fans vs jazz fans.

Overwhelming majority of punk and any ____core show goers are brats in high school or just out of it.

I wasted my life in scenes in various places enough to know.

vs the majority at a jazz show are...fill in the blank....adults with better heads on their shoulder

Genre and fans go hand and hand sometimes. All im saying

Like what you wanna like. But theres something to the type of audience certain music draws.


LOL most of its fans are kids? The first grind or death bands started MANY years ago and have plenty of adult fans.
Jazz fans are adults with better heads on their shoulders? Ya sure they arent snooty elitist coke heads? NOT saying that I think jazz fans are like that. just saying that if you want to bring up stereotypes of genres it can go both ways.
 
For what it's worth and I am not trying to be a jerk.I may have heard of 2 of them. Thing is, you have heard of everyone on my list.

Mick Jagger
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Aretha Franklin
James Brown
Sly Stone
Neil Young
John Lennon


See where I'm going with this?

WOAH WAIT A MINUTE. STOP THE PRESSES!

PEOPLE NOWADAYS HAVE HEARD OF THE BEST OF THE BEST ARTISTS AND GROUPS FROM 40-60 YEARS AGO AND THIS IS NOT AT ALL A PRODUCT OF THESE ARTISTS BEING AROUND FOR NEAR HALF A CENTURY. RATHER THIS IS ENTIRELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY MAKE MUSIC THAT IS HEADS AND SHOULDERS ABOVE MODERN MUSICIANS!
 
WOAH WAIT A MINUTE. STOP THE PRESSES!

PEOPLE NOWADAYS HAVE HEARD OF THE BEST OF THE BEST ARTISTS AND GROUPS FROM 40-60 YEARS AGO AND THIS IS NOT AT ALL A PRODUCT OF THESE ARTISTS BEING AROUND FOR NEAR HALF A CENTURY. RATHER THIS IS ENTIRELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY MAKE MUSIC THAT IS HEADS AND SHOULDERS ABOVE MODERN MUSICIANS!

I think history only allows certain time periods where all these prolific bands, singer/song writers surface. The 60s & 70s were that time.

I think there are a lot of great new artist today, unfortunately because of the way the game is played now, we will probably never see or hear any of them.

Remember the quote;

If an Aretha Franklin or a Stevie Wonder came along today, they would probably never get signed.
 
I read Blue's comments and I now realize why so many cover band musicians are damned to playing Brown Eyed Girl, Mustang Sally, and Sweet Home Alabama again, and again, and again, and again until the "only great music came from my era" people finally get commited to the nursing home.

:D
 
I read Blue's comments and I now realize why so many cover band musicians are damned to playing Brown Eyed Girl, Mustang Sally, and Sweet Home Alabama again, and again, and again, and again until the "only great music came from my era" people finally get commited to the nursing home.

:D

I am pretty sure that none of the artist on my list are conected to the songs jive has mentioned.
 
The concept, however, is totally related Blue.

Statements like, "If an Aretha Franklin or a Stevie Wonder came along today, they would probably never get signed." are totally unsubstantiated claims, the sort of thing pushed by tabloid newspapers, based on nothing but supposition.

For YOU, the greatest singers/songwriters were in the 60s and 70s, but you're very much mixing up opinion with fact.
 
The concept, however, is totally related Blue.

Statements like, "If an Aretha Franklin or a Stevie Wonder came along today, they would probably never get signed." are totally unsubstantiated claims, the sort of thing pushed by tabloid newspapers, based on nothing but supposition.

For YOU, the greatest singers/songwriters were in the 60s and 70s, but you're very much mixing up opinion with fact.

I have to agree here. In fact, using Stevie as an example - he might be bigger than ever, given YouTube & the ease of self publishing.

I think the point has been made here and BW is having a bit of fun playing troll... If those who are so terribly defensive of their musical choices keep taking the bait, I suspect he'll keep providing it...
 
I hope I'm not included in "those who are terribly defensive of their musical choices" Harry. I just don't like to see illogical statements and opinions stated as fact. I like to listen to music from all generations. If its good, its good. I couldn't care less when it was made.
 
I hope I'm not included in "those who are terribly defensive of their musical choices" Harry. I just don't like to see illogical statements and opinions stated as fact. I like to listen to music from all generations. If its good, its good. I couldn't care less when it was made.

Well, whether you are defensive or not, you and I agree that there is lots of good music out there - - not all of it is for everyone, and there is no "Generational Monopoly" on good music. Hell, my dad would give me so much grief about my music and all he'd listen to was Big Band (which was, in its time, considered trash by many music critics...). I would say "Same as it ever was" but I think that today, because of the internet and improved technology, there is VASTLY more good music available to every person of every taste than ever before. What's to complain about?? That I, or BW, or anyone else doesn't like Sludge/Grind/Screamo/Death/General Annoyance metal should hardly be important or relevant to anyone. That someone decides to try to stir of grief, say like BW did with this thread... well, if folks keep posting to defend their beloved music, who's being silly now?
 
I read Blue's comments and I now realize why so many cover band musicians are damned to playing Brown Eyed Girl, Mustang Sally, and Sweet Home Alabama again, and again, and again, and again until the "only great music came from my era" people finally get commited to the nursing home.

:D

Damned is the right freakin' word, let me tell you. I have a personal policy of refusing, when possible, to play any Skynard... Lord, like I didn't get a belly full of that stuff when I was in High school (and I didn't much like it then, either!)
 
I think there are a lot of great new artist today, unfortunately because of the way the game is played now, we will probably never see or hear any of them.

Think about the technology today........
Anyone can record and publish a song, video, etc. and get it broadcasted and distributed around the world.

But back then only people with tons of cash and connections could get a recording and publish it. Consider all the great music back then that no-one heard because they didn't have the technology to produce themselves. One of the reasons why the Blues musicians that had their songs stolen got less publicity and recognition than people who had backing, like Elvis.
 
Think about the technology today........
Anyone can record and publish a song, video, etc. and get it broadcasted and distributed around the world.

But back then only people with tons of cash and connections could get a recording and publish it. Consider all the great music back then that no-one heard because they didn't have the technology to produce themselves. One of the reasons why the Blues musicians that had their songs stolen got less publicity and recognition than people who had backing, like Elvis.

Or Zep.