I think Paul Mcartney used an Ibanez on "Have a cigar". Since Ibanez is the best bass for metal, clearly he was a metal pioneer.
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Grindcore
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Part of the reason we think that "our music" is better than the other generations has very little to do with the music. It has more to do with where we were at in our lives at the time that music came out more than any singular quality of the music.
The stuff that I love or have a soft spot for was the metal of the 80's, and by metal I'm not talking Poison and Motley Crue, I'm talking early Metallica, Boltthrower, Iron Maiden, Testament, Anthrax, etc...
The reason that era is what it is for me is because that was when I started playing guitar and bass, and I went through middle school, high school and that awesome point just after high school when you have a full time job and still live with mom and dad. That brief couple of years where you lived like a king with (nearly) zero responsiblities, you had a car, money in your wallet, went to concerts every week, and generally just partied with your friends. That time we refer to as "back in the day"
Thats why we love that music. It was the narrative of that era of our lives before mortgage payments, tedious jobs, having our own families, and all that stuff we call life and adulthood.
The stuff that I love or have a soft spot for was the metal of the 80's, and by metal I'm not talking Poison and Motley Crue, I'm talking early Metallica, Boltthrower, Iron Maiden, Testament, Anthrax, etc...
The reason that era is what it is for me is because that was when I started playing guitar and bass, and I went through middle school, high school and that awesome point just after high school when you have a full time job and still live with mom and dad. That brief couple of years where you lived like a king with (nearly) zero responsiblities, you had a car, money in your wallet, went to concerts every week, and generally just partied with your friends. That time we refer to as "back in the day"
Thats why we love that music. It was the narrative of that era of our lives before mortgage payments, tedious jobs, having our own families, and all that stuff we call life and adulthood.
Ibanez Steve Wishnevsky signature model, in fact. But keep a lid on it if you can.
(AND: 21 pages. Sweet!)
I agree... but there are composers / musicians who have do have profound influence on music and even society; While I am not rabid beatles fan, McCartney rather falls into the category of "hugely influential", objectively speaking. Heck, of the Beatles he's not even my fav, yet it's hard to dispute what a presence his songwriting has been in culture, western or otherwise. You don't have to love his music to respect the impact.... Like Mozart or Bird (both of whom I find pretty un-listenable) - huge impact, but not my thing.
BUT
What's this gotta do with grindcore????
Mozart was a bum. Beethoven's where it's at. The "Moonlight Sonata" is the orginal grindcore.
And some people who are deep into that which we call adulthood shouldn't be as worried about what people who aren't there yet are doing.
And some people who are deep into that which we call adulthood shouldn't be as worried about what people who aren't there yet are doing.
Great point. It's not like the grindcore guys are out taking gigs away from dance bands
"Part of the reason" -- a small part. I hate the absolute relativism that comes out in discussions like these. People can, and should, like whatever they want. But when you want to discuss the quality of art/music/etc. you have to accept the fact that some things are better than others. And threads like this one, regardless of the OP's intent, can be great when everyone fights over the merits of their preferred music/musicians/genre...but invariably they devolve into "hey man, that's just what you like"...BORING.
And WAY too many wads here who are just itching to attack someone personally. Seriously, if bluewine wants to ridicule a genre, what sense does it make to call HIM names -- ridicule what he likes, take him to task. If you're sick of the topic, or you're sick of his posts, don't read 'em.
I think we're on the way to linking grindcore to Kevin Bacon...
Great point. It's not like the grindcore guys are out taking gigs away from dance bands
Well, I don't play Grindcore (though I have), I do play in a Death Metal band. But on the side I play jazz gigs and cover gigs. I find all three types of bands/gigs a lot of fun and fulfilling in their own ways.
Cover bands are just down right fun to play with, especially when the audience is into it and you have everyone dancing. Jazz is so intimate and always a good time with friends. And than Death Metal is a writers dream because it's so open and malleable to pretty much any idea or style, I find it to be a melting pot of music.
This will bring us a bit closer
Not grindcore, but a core genre, and Kevin Bacon influenced (sorta)
I think it goes without saying that Kevin Bacon is the best lyrical subject for everything.
Most people your age don't have arguments that are more often associated with 13 year olds like "x is a better bass player than y" in two completely different eras/genres/etc.
Why would someone need to be your age to know the inherent "rightness" of your argument, anyway?
You wouldn't, this not about age. I am not really sure what this is about, but it's not age.
How could it be about age. For example when I'm looking at a chic, it's not through the eyes of a 57 year old, it's closer to my eyes when I was 16.
So what runs through your head when you look at a girl is "Man, how can I get her back home without waking up my parents?" That explains a whole lot.
I think any band including CC (whoever the hell they are) that achieve some level of success has to have at least a couple of intelligent guys associated with the band, I am sure CC didn't just get lucky.
On your other point, and As I mentioned before fast playing especially on bass has never impressed me.Geeez Stanley was one of the guys when I was you guys age. I never dug him, still don't.
Paul's simple bass line on” All You Need Is Love" is only a few well place lines in the scale. It means a lot more than someone shredding a bass using a million notes. Seem like a waste of time and talent to me.
Rememeber guys to me, just me.Thats seems to be a hard concept for some of you to grasp.
Speed and technical lines are fine, so are simple parts, it depends on context. There more than one way to eat an oreo. What I've learned from this thread is that I will need to keep an eye on myself to make sure I don't become as close minded as you have when I'm older. As a musician I think it's important to push ones self outside of their comfort zone when it comes to music, otherwise you might as well be a regular top 40 listening non-musician.
Personally I tend to always get a bad feeling when I become overly comfortable with certain music, it gets stagnant, when that I happens I know I need to find something that will confuse me and make me uncomfortable, and than I study it and eventually it becomes common place. I think it should be regular practice among musicians to do this, because for me it has expanded my knowledge and taste of music from around the world, from fun, calm, to extreme and intense in a very short amount of time. It seems that you've put yourself in a box, and that's the last thing that comes to mind when I listen to the Beatles.
