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Honestly Blue you might want to seriously ask yourself why as many rabid McCartney fans as exist on this board haven't come to your defense.. I think that says more about how you are handling yourself then it does about fellow Beatles fans here..

That said, I've enjoyed reading your threads for the sheer slow car accident spectacle they are.. :)

PS.. Paul McCartney is the shiznitt..

&^*%, I'm an old man.

I can't stand metal. There I said it. Thats probably the whole problem.


And I guess if your under 55 your never going to understand what it was like when The Beatles hit our shores in 64.

I wonder how long CC would have lasted in some of the dives the Beatles were playing in Hamburg in 62-63.
 
I think any band including CC (whoever the hell they are) that achieve some level of success has to have at least a couple of intelligent guys associated with the band, I am sure CC didn't just get lucky.

On your other point, and As I mentioned before fast playing especially on bass has never impressed me.Geeez Stanley was one of the guys when I was you guys age. I never dug him, still don't.

Paul's simple bass line on” All You Need Is Love" is only a few well place lines in the scale. It means a lot more than someone shredding a bass using a million notes. Seem like a waste of time and talent to me.


Rememeber guys to me, just me.Thats seems to be a hard concept for some of you to grasp.

And here you show conclusive evidence why nobody on this thread has taken you seriously.

You formed your opinion on a genre of music and a band within that genre before even hearing it.

You estimated the intelligence of members and associates of a band by their commercial success

You ridiculed a bass player for having a high level of technical prowess.

You followed up by ridiculing bass players who use their talent to its fullest extent.

And to answer the questions you responded to my original comment with:

I know who Paul McCartney is.

I know of his legacy and influence on the music world.

I was referring solely to Paul's playing abilities and not to his personal qualities (incidentally, Alex Webster is quite a well spoken individual)

I am 18 years old.
 
&^*%, I'm an old man.

I can't stand metal. There I said it. Thats probably the whole problem.


And I guess if your under 55 your never going to understand what it was like when The Beatles hit our shores in 64.

I wonder how long CC would have lasted in some of the dives the Beatles were playing in Hamburg in 62-63.

Well, for quite a long time CC was playing in nothing but dives. Early death metal bands (and death metal bands still) don't generally get booked for big arenas or Ed Sullivan type shows.
 
"Part of the reason" -- a small part. I hate the absolute relativism that comes out in discussions like these. People can, and should, like whatever they want. But when you want to discuss the quality of art/music/etc. you have to accept the fact that some things are better than others. And threads like this one, regardless of the OP's intent, can be great when everyone fights over the merits of their preferred music/musicians/genre...but invariably they devolve into "hey man, that's just what you like"...BORING.

And WAY too many wads here who are just itching to attack someone personally. Seriously, if bluewine wants to ridicule a genre, what sense does it make to call HIM names -- ridicule what he likes, take him to task. If you're sick of the topic, or you're sick of his posts, don't read 'em.



I think we're on the way to linking grindcore to Kevin Bacon...
^This

Also, Ive learned from this thread that people are not allowed to have opinions =P

Sure you can disagree, but the immaturity and negativity is really astounding
 
&^*%, I'm an old man.

I can't stand metal. There I said it. Thats probably the whole problem.


And I guess if your under 55 your never going to understand what it was like when The Beatles hit our shores in 64.

I wonder how long CC would have lasted in some of the dives the Beatles were playing in Hamburg in 62-63.

People seem to forget that the Beatles stopped touring and performing live in 1966. Which means they had about 4 years of experience performing live, plus the rooftop concert. I can guarantee that Cannibal Corpse has played more live shows than the Beatles by a mile.

I love the Beatles. They are great recording artists, but not performing artists. But they were such great songwriters, they could get away with it. Metal bands don't have that luxury. They have to perform live, as the live performance is a huge part of the appeal.
 
^This

Also, Ive learned from this thread that people are not allowed to have opinions =P

Sure you can disagree, but the immaturity and negativity is really astounding

I have learned this from allot of online forums and threads. I love TB but there are allot of time more lately where posts like this get out of hand. It becomes like the weird kid everybody hates so let's all hold him down and keep raining punches down on him...enough!.What do some of you have to prove?
Then its gets wacked out with grammer police, and poking at stupid typo's. Yes admit I check once a day OK maybe twice for the carwreck of it all but this is stupid and you guys need to look at it that way. I will say however some on here need to think before they post and start a threads but I still see Fender wars, Are SX's any good threads? WOW! maybe this is what I come in here for the trainwrecks and crazies instead of discussing something I love, playing the bass guitar :eyebrow:
 
People seem to forget that the Beatles stopped touring and performing live in 1966. Which means they had about 4 years of experience performing live, plus the rooftop concert. I can guarantee that Cannibal Corpse has played more live shows than the Beatles by a mile.

I love the Beatles. They are great recording artists, but not performing artists. But they were such great songwriters, they could get away with it. Metal bands don't have that luxury. They have to perform live, as the live performance is a huge part of the appeal.


Yeah, Jive is right, The Beatles really knew nothing about live performance, all of the playing 8 days a week in Hamburg and how they really struggled with their 3 and 4 part harmonies live.

Jive is a real historian, listen to him, he really knows what he's talking about.

Yeah Jive they were just a recording band.
 


WOW! I wish i had fame like that, I wish fame like that was still possible.

Was the music that good for the time in comparison to the music before it, or was the marketing just awesome for the beatles with the push they got.

Jeez man. Ive seen pics, heard stories, but Ive never really watched bealtemania.....thats just wow

I need to get famous quickly
 
Yeah, Jive is right, The Beatles really knew nothing about live performance, all of the playing 8 days a week in Hamburg and how they really struggled with their 3 and 4 part harmonies live.

Jive is a real historian, listen to him, he really knows what he's talking about.

Yeah Jive they were just a recording band.

Cannibal Corpse has been around since 1988, and really started to take off in 1991. It's currently, for all intents and purposes, 2011, so they've been on the road in some form or fashion for the last 20 years. The Beatles solidified their line up in 1962, and broke up 8 years later in 1970. They stopped touring in 1966. Looking at the dates and time frame alone it's hard to argue with anything that Jive said. You've got 20 years worth of touring and recording as a leader in your genre on the one hand, and you've got 4 years of touring and recording, and then another additional 4 years of just recording. Even if the Beatles played 350 shows a year, every year they were touring, CC would only have to play 70, which is nothing for a band of their stature, because they've been on the road and touring 5 times longer than the Beatles were, and have been touring twice as long as the Beatles were even in existence.

And while the Beatles had 3 part vocal harmonies to deal with, CC and bands like them have to deal with the blistering tempos, abrupt tempo and time signature changes, and all the other things that go into playing metal and death metal more specifically. Different skill sets are required to play each type of music.

But hey, what am I talking about? You're just a troll anyways.
 
I love how Bluewine totally ignored me dissing him. Your mind going, old man?

And for the record, I'm a 16 year old who happens to love Paul McCartney AND metal. If I can do it, why the hell are the rest of you getting so bent out of shape? Oh yeah, it's because Bluewine's being a tool...
 
Yeah, Jive is right, The Beatles really knew nothing about live performance, all of the playing 8 days a week in Hamburg and how they really struggled with their 3 and 4 part harmonies live.

Jive is a real historian, listen to him, he really knows what he's talking about.

Yeah Jive they were just a recording band.

Well, I used to be a history teacher, so I am a historian.

And for a guy who was part of the "scene" back then, you don't know sh**. But, you were 11 back then, and the Beatles quit touring before you were old enough to buy a ticket, so I don't expect you to know better.

Yup, most of their stuff was recording vs playing live. It's a fact. They put together their first album in 1963, quit touring in 1966, and broke up in 1970. So, during the time they were signed, they spent 3 years touring, and 4 years in the studio, not touring. They recorded 7 albums during the time they quit touring, while they did 5 when they were. Their stuff when they were touring was still copping Chuck Berry's style, but when they stopped touring is when they put together some groundbreaking songwriting and production, like Sgt Peppers. Most of the stuff the Beatles are renown for was when they stopped touring. I don't know if the Beatles could have made advances in songwriting, composition, producing, recording, etc. if they were touring for 1/2 the year or more instead of songwriting and recording.

Now, McCartney performed live alot. But it was with Wings, not the Beatles.

And I'll stand by what I said, because the majority of the Beatles body of work is their recordings, not their live performances. At their peak, they didn't play live shows. There's Beatles tribute bands that have performed more shows than the Beatles. On the other hand, Kiss and the Grateful Dead are known for their live performances, moreso than their recordings.
 
Well, I used to be a history teacher, so I am a historian.

And for a guy who was part of the "scene" back then, you don't know sh**. But, you were 11 back then, and the Beatles quit touring before you were old enough to buy a ticket, so I don't expect you to know better.

Yup, most of their stuff was recording vs playing live. It's a fact. They formed in 1960, played in Hamburg until 1962, put together their first album in 1963, quit touring in 1966, and broke up in 1970. So, during the time they were signed, they spent 3 years touring, and 4 years in the studio, not touring. They recorded 7 albums during the time they quit touring, while they did 5 when they were. Their stuff when they were touring was still copping Chuck Berry's style, but when they stopped touring is when they put together some groundbreaking songwriting and production, like Sgt Peppers. Most of the stuff the Beatles are renown for was when they stopped touring. I don't know if the Beatles could have made advances in songwriting, composition, producing, recording, etc. if they were touring for 1/2 the year or more instead of songwriting and recording.

Now, McCartney performed live alot. But it was with Wings, not the Beatles.

And I'll stand by what I said, because the majority of the Beatles body of work is their recordings, not their live performances. At their peak, they didn't play live shows. There's Beatles tribute bands that have performed more shows than the Beatles. On the other hand, Kiss and the Grateful Dead are known for their live performances, moreso than their recordings.

Bro, you don't know how cut throat the 6th grade talent show scene was back then man.

Also a big +1 to this post as a whole.