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Grindcore

#441
Hutzbordello said:
too bad you werent born in the later era, when all the guitar gods are dead. every other band mate sold out and you see jimi tshirts everywhere. so then punk comes, and things change. then metal gets bigger. and then a while down the road people say hm......lets play fast heavy music better then anyone else.

then the old people come and say "i remember the 50's"............thanks man sorry to come off as a dick but seriously.......you try playing some of it
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he was talking about "grindcore" not all metal in general. Grindcore is more "grind" and "core" than metal anyway.
 
#444
sloasdaylight said:
Bro, you don't know how cut throat the 6th grade talent show scene was back then man.
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Dude, you must have never watched "Leave It To Beaver" on acid. June Cleaver under that house dress had a hot body. Like when I was playing with the Slinky, and we were smokin banana peels behind the alley, and then my friend's sister caught us and threatened to tell our moms unless we gave her a nickel so she could buy a candy bar.
 
#446
Because age is a huge factor in social behavior?

What he said was very true for the most part.

Just because one or two youngsters here are into the beatles does not make his statement false, despite it being a generalization.

Generalizations exist for a reason.
 
#447
KayXero said:
Because age is a huge factor in social behavior?

What he said was very true for the most part.

Just because one or two youngsters here are into the beatles does not make his statement false, despite it being a generalization.

Generalizations exist for a reason.
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Generalizations made from systematically empirical observations are different than generalizations made from one's own personal baises, but that's a tangent for another time.

If you've followed Bluewine's threads, they almost always come back to age somehow being an x-factor central to the discussion. That's nothing personal against Bluewine. I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I get the vibe from here that he's a good guy. However, I think he seriously needs to get over age as being this centrally defining component of how he deals with the world.
 
#448
bluewine said:
You wouldn't, this not about age. I am not really sure what this is about, but it's not age.

How could it be about age. For example when I'm looking at a chic, it's not through the eyes of a 57 year old, it's closer to my eyes when I was 16.
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You can't win -- you echo a comment made by one of your detractors (essentially that tastes are heavily defined by earlier stages of our lives), but it just fuels the fire...

I don't always agree with you, but I got it...

"That's what I like about these high school girls, I keep getting older, they stay the same age." (Dazed and Confused)
 
#449
Gawd said:
...What I've learned from this thread is that I will need to keep an eye on myself to make sure I don't become as close minded as you have when I'm older...
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So, assuming bw IS closeminded, reading this thread taught you that you need to keep an eye on yourself so you DON'T become close-minded. Interesting...


Gawd said:
...when that I happens I know I need to find something that will confuse me and make me uncomfortable, and than I study it and eventually it becomes common place. I think it should be regular practice among musicians to do this...
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Admirable, but irrelevant to this thread. Please reread post #1.
 
#450
jive1 said:
Well, I used to be a history teacher, so I am a historian.
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I know you're a great dude, but you gotta know that's a false tautology...for two reasons... :-)


jive1 said:
...Yup, most of their stuff was recording vs playing live. It's a fact. They put together their first album in 1963
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And I'll stand by what I said, because the majority of the Beatles body of work is their recordings, not their live performances.
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But you ignored the Hamburg reference -- their residencies that, by everything I can find, were described as pretty relentless and demanding live performance schedules, and all pre-1963. You do go on to qualify that you're talking about the more popular phase of their career, but bw clearly wasn't -- he was answering your statement "they had about 4 years of experience performing live" which is a WEE bit off ;-)
 
#452
LiquidMidnight said:
Generalizations made from systematically empirical observations are different than generalizations made from one's own personal baises
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they almost always come back to age somehow being an x-factor central to the discussion
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And how do you know his generalizations AREN'T based on systematically empirical observations?

I'm with him on this one -- I rarely encounter kids under 20 who really dig the beatles...and the few I do know have serious musicians for parents...

And in this thread, age was central to his original post -- he said, basically, "as an old guy, I can't stand current music and think it sucks by comparison to what I grew up with"...so here at least age wasn't an x-factor, it was the actual core point.
 
#454
lethargytartare said:
I know you're a great dude, but you gotta know that's a false tautology...for two reasons... :-)
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The Historian thing was a joke.

But you ignored the Hamburg reference -- their residencies that, by everything I can find, were described as pretty relentless and demanding live performance schedules, and all pre-1963. You do go on to qualify that you're talking about the more popular phase of their career, but bw clearly wasn't -- he was answering your statement "they had about 4 years of experience performing live" which is a WEE bit off ;-)
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But, they weren't known back then, and they didn't have Ringo Starr. So they had some live experience when they were starting out, most bands do. They get a new drummer, lots of bands do. Pete Best never played on any of their albums. With their current lineup, they had about 3-4 years of live performance, so I don't think I'm off. The years before that was with a different drummer, and some of that time was with Paul playing guitar instead of bass. Stuart Suttcliffe was the original bass player, and he wasn't even a musician. During that time they were still forming. When they were in their heyday, they only had a few years of touring. They weren't known as a live band, and how could they be when most of their time was spent writing and recording. Not to bash on the Beatles, but they weren't known as a live band. There's 7 albums worth of material that were never performed live by the Beatles including groundbreaking albums like Revolver, Abbey Road, Sgt Peppers, White Album, and Magical Mystery Tour.

People cop their licks, but do they cop their moves?
 
#456
jive1 said:
I shoulda used a smiley on that line. I only mentioned the historian because I was sarcastically called one.
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Crap...yeah, I missed that one...:hiding: too much coffee not enough sleep...

And I get your point that the beatles in their best know state did more recording than performing...but I still think it gives short shrift to the dues they paid in the years before (to bw's point)...
 
#458
Its just like when people said "rock" music was too loud. Or people had a problem with jazz. Grindcore is music and there are people who enjoy both playing it an listening.

AND for the guy that said something similar to "it sucks and thats why they don't make money!" Well this grindcore drummer is now with trivium:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Augusto

I saw him perform with Maruta at the Grindathon in Winter Park a few years back. Sure most grindcore bands do not make much money but you know something special is going on if they continue to do it purely for the love. It isn't something "new" for "high school kids" and its been around since napalm death, etc. If you don't like it don't listen.

Some groups may mix 'hardcore' into it now but grindcore came about from hardcore punk and death metal... fast, short and brutal.

"Napalm Death released fourteen studio albums and are listed by Nielsen SoundScan as the seventh best-selling death metal band in the United States.[3]" << not too bad for the defining grindcore band that has been around since 81

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm_death


Formed in 81... whoa those high schoolers listening to this are like 40 now?
 
#459
I would go as far as to say that more youngsters are into the Beatles than are into grindcore. It just doesn't win you the cool points as a 14-year-old in the public school system that I assume it used to. . .

I can speak on this one, being 19, but then again, i grew up in the un-schooling organic hippieistic central N.C. counter-culture, so I was exposed to a lot of 60s music.

By the way, this isn't an endorsement of Bluewine, I'm more with the grindcore guys on this one, even if I don't particularly enjoy their music. Just thought it needed to be pointed out.
 
#460
jive1 said:
Dude, you must have never watched "Leave It To Beaver" on acid. June Cleaver under that house dress had a hot body. Like when I was playing with the Slinky, and we were smokin banana peels behind the alley, and then my friend's sister caught us and threatened to tell our moms unless we gave her a nickel so she could buy a candy bar.
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jive, I can how your Johnny Come Lately crowd would feel that way. but I won't hold it against you.

For some reason you just don't get it. But thats ok.

Those of us that had those 1st musical experiences playing in bands at that age were very lucky.
 

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