Has Gretsch been lying to us for over a decade?

[Kro]

or you dont understand. There is 0 evidence pointing to these pickups actually being humbuckers. There is plenty of evidence it's a single coil.

In addition:

It doesn't buck hum as advertised.

For the record, I agree with this assessment.

 

[mrperkolator]

i'm convinced every single owner has 2 of these basses and deceptively put the 2 bridge pickups together for a photo and refuses to unwind them to reveal the secret magic dual coil . really sad how so many people would go to such lengths to try to give fender a bad name

I'd do it on video if it wasn't my only functional bass. Someone wants to buy me another one, I'll take apart that pickup on video. I'll even do it livestream.

Even then @skycruiser will think there's some magical secret super coil hidden that is supposed to buck hum, but actually doesnt.

 

[WG Plum]

I have two sets from different makers with very different build characteristics. I was just at a luthier friend's place on Saturday and probably could've snagged some magnetic paper, although he just had a big fire recently and it might not look so good.

The idea of splicing coil ends in the middle of the wraps or anywhere out of sight once the pickup is opened up doesn't jibe with anything I've ever seen, can anyone post a commercial example of that please? Seems all the more unilkely in a low-ish end product, no?

Logic seemingly has no place in the debate. Besides, you know nothing!

 

[Kro]

The idea of splicing coil ends in the middle of the wraps or anywhere out of sight doesn't jibe with anything I've ever seen, can anyone post a commercial example of that please? Seems all the more unilkely in a low-ish end product, no?

There's also the matter of reverse polarity, that I'm not sure this would address fully. Unless I'm missing something, only doing the coil thing would just net you a... "all-cancelling" pickup.

 

[skycruiser]

or you dont understand. There is 0 evidence pointing to these pickups actually being humbuckers. There is plenty of evidence it's a single coil.

In addition:

It doesn't buck hum as advertised.

Irrelevant to my point. I give up - what a pointless endeavor.

 

[mrperkolator]

Irrelevant to my point. I give up - what a pointless endeavor.

a humbucker that does not buck hum is relevant. That's kinda why this thread exists.

You are trying to make us prove 100% (even though we are already there) that it's a single coil.

Yet you refuse to try to prove it's a humbucker.....

 

[Passinwind]

There's also the matter of reverse polarity, that I'm not sure this would address fully. Unless I'm missing something, only doing the coil thing would just net you a... "all-cancelling" pickup.

Sweet, I'll patent it if you don't!

 

[skycruiser]

a humbucker that does not buck hum is relevant. That's kinda why this thread exists.

You are trying to make us prove 100% (even though we are already there) that it's a single coil.

Yet you refuse to try to prove it's a humbucker.....

Please stop lying about what I have said so I can be done with this thread. Thanks in advance.

 

[WG Plum]

Please stop lying about what I have said so I can be done with this thread. Thanks in advance.

Being done is up to you, I think.

 

[skycruiser]

Being done is up to you, I think.

Right, and it's up to me to defend my name against mis-characterization.

 

[mrperkolator]

Right, and it's up to me to defend my name against mis-characterization.

like you mis-characterize the pickups on the G2220?

 

[Snert]

There's also the matter of reverse polarity, that I'm not sure this would address fully. Unless I'm missing something, only doing the coil thing would just net you a... "all-cancelling" pickup.

Well how do stacked coil Strat type noiseless pickups work? I posted a pic earlier in the thread. They're not a new idea or even new tech.

 

[skycruiser]

like you mis-characterize the pickups on the G2220?

Please quote where I did that. Again, thanks in advance.

 

[Kro]

Well how do stacked coil Strat type noiseless pickups work? I posted a pic earlier in the thread. They're not a new idea or even new tech.

I dunno, some work like this. I honestly don't know, are some able to use the same pole pieces? I don't think it'd work, but I'm ready to be corrected.

Edit: seems like the picture text actually goes into a few different methods (though blurry). I'll have to read up on it a bit more to wrap my head around it.

 

[mrperkolator]

Please quote where I did that. Again, thanks in advance.

Here you go.

It would be possible to hide the coil interconnects inside the coil so that a stacked dual humbucker would look like a single coil from the outside. You really need to uncoil the thing to be sure this isn't the case.

You are suggesting that Gretsch/Fender used a complex, not used elsewhere (and likey non-functional) design on a $300 bass.

Instead of the obvious, which is someone decided to either directly commit fraud by lying, or they swapped parts for cost reduction reasons and hoped no one would notice -- and both of these have profit motivations which make them the most likely.

 

[skycruiser]

Here you go.



You are suggesting that Gretsch/Fender used a complex, not used elsewhere (and likey non-functional) design on a $300 bass.

Instead of the obvious, which is someone decided to either directly commit fraud by lying, or they swapped parts for cost reduction reasons and hoped no one would notice.

So in your universe, someone saying "it is possible that this could happen" is equivalent to that person saying "this is definitely what happened".

I think I can rest my case.

 

[deff]

So in your universe, someone saying "it is possible that this could happen" is equivalent to that person saying "this is definitely what happened".

I think I can rest my case.

Lobster decapsulated the pickup. There is no separation between the coils, so in this case, yes... that's what happened.

 

[skycruiser]

Lobster decapsulated the pickup. There is no separation between the coils, so in this case, yes... that's what happened.

Wow, talk about having to make a point ad nauseam.
No, I ain't gonna do it...

 

[mrperkolator]

So in your universe, someone saying "it is possible that this could happen" is equivalent to that person saying "this is definitely what happened".

I think I can rest my case.

In my world I dont believe in fairy dust, peter pan, or ghosts.

So when I see someone in obvious denial of facts, I'm not going to let them confuse others on this thread. I've hit my limit on ridiculous posts for today. So my tolerance is low.

And before you get up in arms.... Your posts are suggesting that Gretsch/Fender used a complex, likely costly, needlessly precise method of construction on a pickup that is to be put in a $300 bass -- Oh and this needlessly complex, costly, and difficult to manufacture method does not buck hum.

So in short you're suggesting that Fender/Gretsch is manufacturing a very expensive pickup, that doesn't work as claimed, and put it in a $300 bass.

It is a single coil. I can rest my case.

 

[steimlem]

So in your universe, someone saying "it is possible that this could happen" is equivalent to that person saying "this is definitely what happened".

I think I can rest my case.

even suggesting or implying is ridiculous. do you go up to your wife and tell her "it's POSSIBLE you had sex with the neighbor while i was at work" ? well...you might actually do that. but most wouldn't because it's rude and baseless.

people here have provided much evidence that this is not a humbucker..but you're endlessly trying to come up with some magically unlikely scenario where it's POSSIBLE due to some ridiculously never before seen or used technology in a budget instrument that Fender decided not to advertise or market.

occam's razor dude