have the D's toppled the SVT's?

[chadds]

So if you don't rock an SVT you're just a bedroom bass player, is that what you're saying?
My little micro amp and 2 1x12s was more then enough for last nights gig. I can't remember the last time my amp was in my bedroom but I'd say it was over 20 years ago

Last time an amp was in my bedroom it was a brand spanking new Acoustic 360.
My Mom liked the contrasting colors. ........and yeah it was upstairs.

 

[jamro217]

A great experiment would be to run a 4003 stereo into an SVT and a Subway (or other class D of your choice). Then switch channels and try it the other way around. Has anybody done that yet, if so, how did it work out?

 

[bobyoung53]

There is a lot of appeal to the fact that all Tone Hammers or any other production class D's for the most part sound the same as every other of the same model. SVT's can range from Voice Of God to unusable mud but oh man when you get a good one.....

It's like this: To find a great tube amp you have to be prepared to commit to a few that won't be "the one", make some compromises, spend a few bucks, learn as you go and exercise patience to experience the magic....kinda like finding (and keeping) a great woman or man.

SS amps on the other hand are safe, reliable, less expensive, easier to handle and do the job. But ultimately they lack some essential magic....more like rubbing one out.

Yes, some are good and like everything else some are not so good but usually a lackluster tube amp can be brought back to approximating the Voice of God with new parts, tubes, caps, etc. but I know you already know that.

 

[bobyoung53]

What exactly is wrong with buying an amp because players you dig use them? That's a phase many of us grow out of but one we All go through. I've been playing over forty years and a few months ago bought an amp after hearing one of my primary influences sounding ****ing awesome through one. I guess I could be accused of mindlessly falling into step behind a player I'm not ashamed to say is a bona fide hero but the bottom line is I sound awesome through this amp too. I'd rather be an awesome sounding sheeple than visionary maverick who sounds like ass.

Yes, for ex. I just bought a Tony Franklin fretless P/J after watching him play one in a video, I now know they are capable of giving me what i want out of a fretless, didn't know that before I watched the video. I've been playing fretless for a long time so I'm no star struck kid but I think it's a very useful thing to be able to watch a pro playing through or playing a piece of equipment to be able to get an idea of the capabilities of the equipment.

 

[JimmyM]

Maybe you missed the LOL at the end of my post. Should I have added an emoticon for effect?

Oops, my mistake. I should have posted "joking" at the end instead of LOL, because then it seems like I'm laughing at you instead of making a joke.

The guy at Sam Ash, who sells Ampeg, told me himself that he has more than one Ampeg amp, for that very reason I mentioned.

Well if a guy at Sam Ash said it, it must be true.

 

[Downunderwonder]

Oh c'mon, I didn't buy the damned amp because Jack Casady was using it he just happened to be the guy I heard playing one for the first time. It could have been YOU using it and my reaction would have been the same. My point was that because I admire the guy someone could cynically accuse me of buying it to be just like my hero and be dead wrong.

And are you honestly going to say that when you were a young player your taste in gear wasn't ever influenced by the players you were emulating? I grew out of that many years ago and I'll assume you have too. But it would be virtually impossible starting out to know **** all about gear and not have your tastes and desires be influenced by the equipment of players you looked up to. If you're saying you really never ever have been so influenced at any point I'd have to wonder what bizarrely isolated circumstance you evolved in.

honestly you have no idea. I bought my first amp, a Trace, after a store demo. I never heard of the stuff but I knew I didn't want a Marshall because my local idol's one was breaking down regularly. I couldn't name more than a handful of famous bassists' amps even today. New Zealand is not the USA for starters. And I was never any sort of student of rock until I took up bass and a poor one since. So continue to speak for yourself but leave me out. Thanks.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Well if a guy at Sam Ash said it, it must be true.

It's nice how you dismissed the rest, like the fact that one in GC has only worked once in many months.

 

[JimmyM]

It's nice how you dismissed the rest, like the fact that one in GC has only worked once in many months.

A floor model. Gee, big surprise there.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Yeah, it is odd that other tube amps can stand being on the floor w/o failing.

 

[Bass4LifeRS]

Statistics, I make up some when I need it. This way it always support my opinion!

 

[Jeff Bonny]

honestly you have no idea. I bought my first amp, a Trace, after a store demo. I never heard of the stuff but I knew I didn't want a Marshall because my local idol's one was breaking down regularly. I couldn't name more than a handful of famous bassists' amps even today. New Zealand is not the USA for starters. And I was never any sort of student of rock until I took up bass and a poor one since. So continue to speak for yourself but leave me out. Thanks.

You are completely and utterly missing my point. NOT buying that Marshall is exactly what I'm talking about: As a player starting out our choice of gear was influenced by an experienced player you looked up to. With your brief, terse replies and no supporting background information one is left to guess to guess you came to the bass later and possibly knew more about equipment and life than I did at age 12. So by the time the bass came along you'd got past the pre/early adolescent hero worship phase we all go through? Lucky you. Was that your only point?

....and BTW mate Canada isn't the USA any more than New Zealand is Australia.

 

[Downunderwonder]

You are completely and utterly missing my point. NOT buying that Marshall is exactly what I'm talking about: As a player starting out our choice of gear was influenced by an experienced player you looked up to. With your brief, terse replies and no supporting background information one is left to guess to guess you came to the bass later and possibly knew more about equipment and life than I did at age 12. So by the time the bass came along you'd got past the pre/early adolescent hero worship phase we all go through? Lucky you. Was that your only point?

....and BTW mate Canada isn't the USA any more than New Zealand is Australia.

never was much of a hero worshiper type. Magnum PI was pretty cool with cool friends and cool toys. The Han Solo who shot first was pretty cool. Hair Rock gods not so much.

You claimed to speak for ALL. You don't. That was MY point. The end.

 

[arai]

A floor model. Gee, big surprise there.

It's not like you haven't dismissed the tone of an amp based on a floor model demo.

 

[One Drop]

So if you don't rock an SVT you're just a bedroom bass player, is that what you're saying?
My little micro amp and 2 1x12s was more then enough for last nights gig. I can't remember the last time my amp was in my bedroom but I'd say it was over 20 years ago

No, that's not what I'm saying and it's not what I meant.

What I meant is that bedroom players cannot judge an SVT properly, because they have never used the amp in the situations it was designed to shine in, large stages and venues without PAs, for example.

It is not a value judgement about any kind of players.

 

[One Drop]

Maybe you missed the LOL at the end of my post. Should I have added an emoticon for effect?

Oops, my mistake. I should have posted "joking" at the end instead of LOL, because then it seems like I'm laughing at you instead of making a joke.

I specifically said I was not criticizing anyone in this thread, but that I was reacting to a tendency on TB.

And you've since edited your post beyond all recognition.

 

[One Drop]

Yeah, it is odd that other tube amps can stand being on the floor w/o failing.

You cannot be serious, though I see no smileys.

And this time I am referring to you: your data points are simply too few and unreliable to draw ANY sort of conclusion from.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

There are used guitar amps with tubes in the same GC, and those amps work.

 

[One Drop]

There are used guitar amps with tubes in the same GC, and those amps work.

Therefore all Ampegs are unreliable. Got it.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Hey, I'm not the one who made the meme with the guy telling his amp tech to fix his Ampeg again before his friends find out.
Sometimes a silly joke like that comes from someplace in reality.

 

[CRich0205]

This is an old V4B and an 810AV from my bands show last Friday. I was the only bass player with a tube head and can that size. Got a ton of compliments on the sound of the bass. i saw an ampeg combo, a GK amp with swr cabs and a fender rig. All the tones fit with the bands. No class D heads in sight. Convenience is great but I love the sound of my rig.

One thing I think gets overlooked I. This discussion is where people live. If you're in a big city using mass transit small and light is the way to go. I live in KC where parking can be found and I have a car that hauls everything.