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How pathetic is this???

#81
The entire country needs to lighten up or we're going to rip each other apart one day.

I think we've forgotten what respect is, so no wonder we can't recognize disrespect. This isn't a case of either.

Isn't rebelling what kids do? I sure did. Still do. They weren't breaking any laws, just going against the grain a bit. It's not like they were wearing jack boot and shirts that said F Mexico. They were looking for attention and the jackass school was dumb enough to give it to them.
 
#84
ausf said:
The entire country needs to lighten up or we're going to rip each other apart one day.

I think we've forgotten what respect is, so no wonder we can't recognize disrespect. This isn't a case of either.

Isn't rebelling what kids do? I sure did. Still do. They weren't breaking any laws, just going against the grain a bit. It's not like they were wearing jack boot and shirts that said F Mexico. They were looking for attention and the jackass school was dumb enough to give it to them.
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I'll +1 (all of) this.
 
#86
ssbass said:
So what your saying is on the 4th of July anybody wearing a shirt with any others colors or flags should be sent home.
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No, unless they are specifically worn to cause some form of trouble.

Relic said:
Hogwash....
If the kids who were "offended" rose above this, then all of the power, attention and martyrism of this whole thing would have amounted to a whole lot of nothing. They are equally at fault and this is a mere symptom of a bigger issue that the school should be working on.
The "patriotic" kids did it to incite trouble no doubt, but it's the kind of trouble that needs two sides.
The school could have handled this a lot differently.
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More than one side should have been above this. The kids wearing the shirts turned it into a them vs. us and then the ones that were offended ran with it. The school did try something different, but the kids chose to go home instead. They weren't kicked out at all.
 
#88
emor said:
When and How to Display the U.S. Flag


The United States Flag Code stipulates that as the symbol of a living country, the flag is considered in itself a living thing and should be properly displayed and cared for. The code outlines the proper ways to display the American flag.

Decorative
• The flag should never be used as clothing, bedding, or drapery. Red, white, and blue bunting may be used as decoration instead, with the blue on top, white in the middle, and red below.


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This will probably offend some (most?) of you, but don't you think that's a LITTLE crazy for what is just a flag?

Our flag is regularly flown upsidedown (it's quite hard to tell) and no one makes a fuss. By our flag I mean the UK, not England. The English flag doesn't have a right-way-up.
 
#89
jp58 said:
The problem with that argument is that the kids did it to insight trouble. The clothing worn probably violated the school dress code on other levels as well. Not to mention that it was far from peaceful. The kids were confrontational and chose to go home and be viewed as martyrs rather than come to any peaceful agreement. From a school officials perspective, if other students complain or if they see fights and other troubles brewing, then they needed to take actions needed to nip it in the bud.
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How was it not peaceful? They were wearing shirts with depictions of American flags :eyebrow: And how is going home confrontational, either? In my opinion, that`s the less confrontational thing to do of the two options. I wouldn`t put it past other kids making fun of them for having to turn their shirts inside out when the image is nothing more than a harmless flag. To me, they prevented any possible confrontation. The aggressors are the ones who got offended over the flag of the country they are living in :scowl:

For the record, I do see your logic but I see it from the other side.
 
#90
Komakino said:
This will probably offend some (most?) of you, but don't you think that's a LITTLE crazy for what is just a flag?
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Personally it doesn't bother me so much. I don't think of it is so much "desecration" as much as bad fashion sense.
I was just pointing out that it used to be considered bad form and a sign of disrespect (protest) to use the (U.S.) flag as clothing (Abbie Hoffman, Peter Fonda's character in Easy Rider).
Now it just seems to be a bunch of goobers having a patriotism contest.
 
#93
iamlowsound said:
It is. It really has nothing to do with Mexican Independence and isn't celebrated there.
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wait a minute... i took four years of spanish in high school, and distinctly remember getting that class period off to eat authentic mexican food brought in by other students and watching muzzy all hour. are you telling me that this is not what all the blood shed was for? lies...
 
#95
A couple of years back, at the annual July 4th celebrations put on by the US Embassy in Geneva, some dude came dressed as an Abu Graib torture victim, complete with bag over head and ankles shackled.

Switzerland is a free country, so he didn't break any law, right?

He was escorted out of the park, denying him of his freedom of speech.

It was was in poor taste, and if it was my party, I would kicked him in the nuts and let him contemplate his free speech in the fetal position. Not for the political statement, but for being disrespectful and ignorant.
 
#100
bmc said:
A couple of years back, at the annual July 4th celebrations put on by the US Embassy in Geneva, some dude came dressed as an Abu Graib torture victim, complete with bag over head and ankles shackled.

Switzerland is a free country, so he didn't break any law, right?

He was escorted out of the park, denying him of his freedom of speech.

It was was in poor taste, and if it was my party, I would kicked him in the nuts and let him contemplate his free speech in the fetal position. Not for the political statement, but for being disrespectful and ignorant.
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If the US embassy rented the park, or that section of the park where the party was held, then I would assume, at least because it's this way here, that they reserve the right to remove whomever they want from their party for whatever reason. You can still dress like an abu ghraib prisoner all you want outside of the reserved space.

He wasn't denied his right to free speech, he was just denied the right to act like an idiot at that particular location, there's a difference between denial of free speech and party crashing.
 

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