I think it is easy to lose sight of what is most important about music and that is not fancy musicianship , what is most important is the songs, I have been dazzled by the musicianship of many well known and respected bass players but less than inspired by their music. If a song inspires me in some way then should I really care about the musicianship of the song after all if im inspired by something then isn't that enough?
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I don't mind Pete Wentz.
- Thread starter MirageBass
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Your previous post could apply to both positive and negative comments about a bassist. It doesn't seem like much of an argument, IMO.No, but does that give us the right to bash every player who plays music that is not to our liking or whether we find them credible or not? It is supposed to be a support community. Read the rules.
Really, nothing negative can be said about a bassist in this forum, ever? If that's a rule, let's just say it's very loosely enforced.
Personally I had never heard of Wentz until he made the cover of Bass Guitar, I read the article out of boredom. It was ok I guess, so I checked 'em out. They're ok...their tunes are better than some of the crap out there. Other than that, I thought that issue was less than stellar.
Anyhoo, did any of you BG readers notice the following issue, with Geddy on the cover? If you read the letters to the editor, it seems they got quite a bit of flack from that one. I remember thinking COOL, this issue has Geddy, Chris Squire, AND John Paul Jones all in one issue, and I kinda thought like this was some sort of damage control due to the previous issue.
I forgave 'em, still an avid reader.
JMO....
Anyhoo, did any of you BG readers notice the following issue, with Geddy on the cover? If you read the letters to the editor, it seems they got quite a bit of flack from that one. I remember thinking COOL, this issue has Geddy, Chris Squire, AND John Paul Jones all in one issue, and I kinda thought like this was some sort of damage control due to the previous issue.
I forgave 'em, still an avid reader.
JMO....
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Pete wentz may not know how to play bass, but we all know who he is, am I right? I could live with that.
But he is to blame for ruining a generation of aspiring bassists.
Pete wentz may not know how to play bass, but we all know who he is, am I right? I could live with that.
But he is to blame for ruining a generation of aspiring bassists.
I guess in a way I can thank "popular punk" music of my generation for me getting into bass. Grunge as well. I started learning bass at 15. Longview and teen spirit were the first few bass lines i learned on bass. Oh yeah and D droneing of peaches from The Presidents of the United States of america. I can go back now now with some regrets thats punk music didnt make me a good bass player. And i got kicked out of the worst punk band in our town. Pretty sad moment ill admit. But it did get me playing bass. Later somehow started to marture as a bass player. Tought my self how to read music, theory etc... 13 years later im playing jazz. I can say ya i wish i started playing jazz. But i cant. But punk did get me into bass. Fall out boy was probaly in grade school back then. But thanks to MIke Dirnt and Kris Noveslic Im a bass player today. If any of that makes anysense at all
wentz is a bizness man.
he has his hand in alot of companies and is a working/touring bass player - wish i could say that, even if i was playing twinkle twinkle little star to 8 year olds.
his sig bass is actually good - rolled finger board.
i was messing with it saying '' dam, this thing is pretty good ''. for as cheap as it cost - i would get one and paint it.
he has his hand in alot of companies and is a working/touring bass player - wish i could say that, even if i was playing twinkle twinkle little star to 8 year olds.
his sig bass is actually good - rolled finger board.
i was messing with it saying '' dam, this thing is pretty good ''. for as cheap as it cost - i would get one and paint it.
I didnt know who he was until I read this thread. Guess I'm lucky.
( No, I don't watch MTV or listen to commercial radio.)That is just so wrong in so many ways.
I honestly wish a new term would be applied to those types of bands because punk they are not.
IMO, Punk is how one lives, not a style to be be imitated and marketed.
It's players that act like rock-stars just because they can sell a bunch of records to the teeny-bopper's and sheeple out there; and those who play, what I consider, little more than regurgitated material simply for material gain that I give no respect to. Has nothing to do with sloppy/simplistic playing.
His signature bass is a piece of plywood crap if you've ever actually played it.
Honestly, if you need to take the tone control off to make the bass a signature one, I see something very wrong there. Oh well, I guess crap instruments go along with crap musicians.
Honestly, if you need to take the tone control off to make the bass a signature one, I see something very wrong there. Oh well, I guess crap instruments go along with crap musicians.
Well It's the first word I could think of to desribe it. Punk style music packaged nicely so that it would be acceptable by all.
. for me it was "Wow... I wanna be able to play that" and these days it seems to be "Wow...I wanna look like him and do it the way he does".
It makes me a little sad actually...
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Man, maybe I'm just different, but I started playing music for the sex and the drugs, and I know thousands of others like me that did the same.
Don't know if that's a joke or not, but not everyone likes sex and drugs, I would personally need a better reason to devote my life to something.
They can keep the drugs, I'll take the sex and RNR. Everything that I have ever done in life can be traced back to sex.
They can keep the drugs, I'll take the sex and RNR. Everything that I have ever done in life can be traced back to sex.
I was kidding about the drugs, but not about the sex.
I started as a classical pianist at the age of 8, when I was 14 and realized that classical piano would not get many high school girls, I convinced my parents to let me switch to guitar. 14 years later I made the jump to bass and have gotten even more interest from the ladies.
Even though my original post was a little tongue in cheek, I think for every pubescent lad that picks up an instrument, the hope of sex is at least somewhat on the brain.
You guys need to learn what music is about, its about ENTERTAINMENT. Todays word for that might be FUN. Sorry but I would rather see a FUN band play the same pattern on everysong, with a bass player who plays the root note and a drummer banging away at the snare every quarter note than see [Insert World Known Bassist's name here] bang 128th notes on 4 strings. How exciting? NO.
See the point of music is entertainment, they are entertaining the masses which are most likely not musicians. Therefor they are musicians relating to NONMUSICIANS. They are also playing for a more younger audience which also means High energy.
Now [World Known Bassist] is going to play his concert. Well he is probably going to be targeting another audience, probably other musicians who can relate to his song about him and his bass guitar, whereas the other group could care less.
Now one of the reasons we get so much punk bassist bashing is because while we waste hundreds of hours plucking away in a little room listening to bass solos and spending all day on talk bass wondering how we can improve our technique and which degree our thumb should be tilted inorder to slap properly. They are out there PLAYING there basses like this
ENTERTAINING and enjoying them selfs.
They could give a crap about weather there bass is made out of mahogany or walnut. They grap the easiest bass to find, [precision] grab a pick [because they see the guitarist has one] and grabs the biggest loudest thing they can find [8x10] and they ROCK OUT because there musicians there to entertain the masses [nonmusicians] so they try to relate to them.
I do not mean to offend any other more advanced bassist out there, I too consider myself MUCH better than your average famous bass player. However there out there playing while im here on a bass forum trying to figure out how to get that perfect tone and learn how to play victors songs.
All that Im trying to say is that you guys need to give them a break, there famous and suck your not and good get over it!
See the point of music is entertainment, they are entertaining the masses which are most likely not musicians. Therefor they are musicians relating to NONMUSICIANS. They are also playing for a more younger audience which also means High energy.
Now [World Known Bassist] is going to play his concert. Well he is probably going to be targeting another audience, probably other musicians who can relate to his song about him and his bass guitar, whereas the other group could care less.
Now one of the reasons we get so much punk bassist bashing is because while we waste hundreds of hours plucking away in a little room listening to bass solos and spending all day on talk bass wondering how we can improve our technique and which degree our thumb should be tilted inorder to slap properly. They are out there PLAYING there basses like this
ENTERTAINING and enjoying them selfs. They could give a crap about weather there bass is made out of mahogany or walnut. They grap the easiest bass to find, [precision] grab a pick [because they see the guitarist has one] and grabs the biggest loudest thing they can find [8x10] and they ROCK OUT because there musicians there to entertain the masses [nonmusicians] so they try to relate to them.
I do not mean to offend any other more advanced bassist out there, I too consider myself MUCH better than your average famous bass player. However there out there playing while im here on a bass forum trying to figure out how to get that perfect tone and learn how to play victors songs.
All that Im trying to say is that you guys need to give them a break, there famous and suck your not and good get over it!
Until the next whipping boy comes along. We've already done Fieldy and Mark Hoppus. You'd think everyone would be tired of this ridiculous argument by now. Let's see...
- Band is popular with the kids.
- Bassist is a fan favorite, and a bass company introduces a signature model of said bassist.
- TalkBass erupts in outrage that a non-virtuoso bassist is given a signature model, bashing the instrument and its namesake.
- TalkBass wonders why the kids just can't listen to what TalkBass thinks is good to listen to, since reviled popular bassist du jour is so clearly awful.
- The TalkBass Snob Resistance arrives, pointing out that:
[*]Dude in question is a rock star, and rock stars move more basses than jazzbos.
[*]Most of us had a rock star to look up to as teens, and we all know the difference now between Jaco Pastorius and Yucko the Clown because that first rock star inspired us to pick up the instrument.
[*]Dude in question isn't all that bad, truth be told. He plays in key and in time, and that's close enough for rock and roll.
[*]Seriously, what's with you people? You're like Ernest Borgnine in "BASEketball". "You kids today with your Pac-Man video games and Dan Fogelberg records " Do you yell at teenagers to get off your lawn, too?
[*]Don't like the bassist? Don't like the bass? Then don't buy his records/sig bass. Quit yer bitchin'.
Musicianship isn't some elite club that requires a good-taste test. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that inspires ANYONE to make music is good. Period. End of line.
And a big "right on!" to all the Kip Winger defenders. I've met the guy. Super-nice and sick talented. I defy anyone to try and convince me otherwise.
