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I think Fender is seriously crazy!

#101
JimmyM said:
I have bought expensive and cheap basses. Of course, my version of expensive (over $1000 new) is probably considered cheap to some. Found some cheapos that I absolutely love, found some I unloaded after a while. But when it comes to Fenders, I end up preferring the Japanese and American lines over all. They're generally lighter, have better fretwork, and feel better in the hands.
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In general - people seem to agree with this. However, I've read many who prefer the roadworn series for a number of different reasons. Just curious if you've played one.

Just an example of a lower priced instrument being just as "good".
 
#103
punkjazzben said:
If you buy expensive basses, clap your hands
If you buy expensive basses, clap your hands
If you buy expensive basses and you rub it in our faces
If you buy expensive basses, clap your hands!

Now sing it with me!
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I don't see any 'rubbing it' in anyone's faces. Apparently the economics of bass buying makes sad for some people. :crying:
 
#104
BurningSkies said:
I don't see any 'rubbing it' in anyone's faces. Apparently the economics of bass buying makes sad for some people. :crying:
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I guess it does not matter if you have owned and played both..get it.

You know I see quite a few shows in my parts and I have yet to see one national band with an expensive exotic bass. For the most part they all play production basses ,Fender, Musicman, Spectors, Warrwick, Epiphone etc.

I guess those guys don't have the budget to buy one of those slick high end jobber's :rolleyes:
 
#105
SIFJiggy said:
In general - people seem to agree with this. However, I've read many who prefer the roadworn series for a number of different reasons. Just curious if you've played one.

Just an example of a lower priced instrument being just as "good".
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I have played a Roadworn at the store. Good basses. I prefer to relic mine on my own, though, and I still prefer the AmStd's.
 
#106
bassbully said:
I guess it does not matter if you have owned and played both..get it.

You know I see quite a few shows in my parts and I have yet to see one national band with an expensive exotic bass. For the most part they all play production basses ,Fender, Musicman, Spectors, Warrwick, Epiphone etc.

I guess those guys don't have the budget to buy one of those slick high end jobber's :rolleyes:
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Many of those guys DO own high end basses too. Its not an either or proposition, besides, you can go out and buy a 20K Fender Jazz bass if you want. Are you saying that you don't think Pros own or use things like Sadowsky basses? Because I think a few probably do. Or one or two guys who play Fodera basses? How about Lee Sklar, he's played one or two shows and on a couple albums...he plays my personal favorite, Dingwall. Phil Lesh from the Grateful Dead? He's done a handful of shows in his life. He plays one of those entry level Ritter basses, although he was known for using a few of those cheap production Alembics for a few years. . ;)

People play what they want. I've owned basses that were less than 300 bucks and more than 5K.
 
#107
;)MIM is the new MIJ. Seriously though, the MIM stuff is pretty sweet. I like the P-Basses better for the fatter necks. I feel it's less important to have reinforcement rods in the chunky necks. I used to have gear snobbery towards the MIM's but My Roadworn P has changed that.
 
#108
bassbully said:
Coming form a guy who has owed and played all Fenders mostly P basses from vintage to Squier you are way off here..IMO :D

I have Squiers (old ones) that are as good playing and sounding as my 08' MIA P was. I have had MIMs also as good as my 73' P bass...was.

I believe the exact opposite of you. Some players need to shove a fancy big buck bass in others faces and try to really convince themselves that it is superior in everyway to a more budget bass. This way they can convince themselves the cost was well worth it but inside allot know it was just bought for the make and name. The player makes the bass..not the other way around.

I'm not talking affinity's or the cheap bases out there. I'm talking good mid -line basses in the $400-800 dollar range.
To me in most environments we weekend warrior, non- professionals play in nobody including myself would know if a guy was playing a $100 bass or a $10,000 bass its just bass we hear...period.

I used to think a higher priced bass was worth it and I needed it. I drank that kool aid.

Today I play a beatup 80's MIK E Series Squier that I modded and reworked the neck on. It might be the best bass I have ever owned to date. I bought it for $65.00 added good pups, ($110.00) rewire cap /pots , added MIA Fender bridge another $75.00 total so about $250.00 in it and it kills.

I don't know why I get into these debates here..oh yea for the S&G :smug:
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Yeah, keep polishing those turds - I'm sure they'll shine one day...


- georgestrings
 
#109
BurningSkies said:
Many of those guys DO own high end basses too. Its not an either or proposition, besides, you can go out and buy a 20K Fender Jazz bass if you want. Are you saying that you don't think Pros own or use things like Sadowsky basses? Because I think a few probably do. Or one or two guys who play Fodera basses? How about Lee Sklar, he's played one or two shows and on a couple albums...he plays my personal favorite, Dingwall. Phil Lesh from the Grateful Dead? He's done a handful of shows in his life. He plays one of those entry level Ritter basses, although he was known for using a few of those cheap production Alembics for a few years. . ;)

People play what they want. I've owned basses that were less than 300 bucks and more than 5K.
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Not those guys I was talking about well known players in big national touring bands :smug:

FWIW I don't know what they own or do I care I just know what they play when I have seen. I got to meet a few and spoke to them about what they play and prefer...just sayin.
 
#111
bassbully said:
But some here think they need the bells and whistle's but to most who hear you playing its just bass...just bass, cheapie or high end.
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Or, maybe some people like to own and play nice stuff, and don't mind spending their money on it - while others are either too cheap or too broke to do the same - so, they *try* to make the BS "just as good" claims, in an effort to make themselves feel better...


- georgestrings
 
#112
bassbully said:
Not those guys I was talking about well know players in big national touring bands :smug:

FWIW I don't know what they own or do I care I just know what they play when I have seen. I got to meet a few and spoke to them about what they play and prefer...just sayin.
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And that's fine. If I was on a heavy touring diet I'd be hesitant to take a handful of very expensive basses on the road. I'd probably be buying up basses in the 1K range to have a solid road performer that didn't make me cry with every theft, every clumsy roadie on load in, every time someone knocked over a stand. The economics of the situation say buying an affordable instrument would work out better. Add to that that many soundmen crap themselves if you don't have a FSO to plug in...

I also know some guys who HAVE taken expensive basses out then if something happened to it, they were SOL for parts or expertise to work on their instrument. Having a ubiquitous production line instrument makes those problems easy to fix.

*edited to add that I have to laugh at "well know players in big national touring bands" given that Lee Sklar has arguably played with more 'big touring bands' and recorded more 'big major label' releases than any other single bass player.
 
#113
georgestrings said:
Or, maybe some people like to own and play nice stuff, and don't mind spending their money on it - while others are either too cheap or too broke to do the same - so, they *try* to make the BS "just as good" claims, in an effort to make themselves feel better...


- georgestrings
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This is exactly when I get pissed off/annoyed with this whole conversation. It's not a BS claim when someone says it's "just as good". You're right, some people like to play nice stuff - and it IS probably BUILT better. This does not mean that it is better at doing the job.

Strong with this one, the super bass-snobbery is.
 
#114
georgestrings said:
Or, maybe some people like to own and play nice stuff, and don't mind spending their money on it - while others are either too cheap or too broke to do the same - so, they *try* to make the BS "just as good" claims, in an effort to make themselves feel better...


- georgestrings
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Hummm....funny! I fit none of this you speak of yet I say bunk to those who I think are really just trying to justify spending all that money...I know I did ...once :rollno:
 
#115
SIFJiggy said:
This is exactly when I get pissed off/annoyed with this whole conversation. It's not a BS claim when someone says it's "just as good". You're right, some people like to play nice stuff - and it IS probably BUILT better. This does not mean that it is better at doing the job.

Strong with this one, the super bass-snobbery is.
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Careful friend. While I agree we must keep cool heads here or this post/thread will get closed. It's just getting fun now :D
 
#118
BurningSkies said:
And that's fine. If I was on a heavy touring diet I'd be hesitant to take a handful of very expensive basses on the road. I'd probably be buying up basses in the 1K range to have a solid road performer that didn't make me cry with every theft, every clumsy roadie on load in, every time someone knocked over a stand. The economics of the situation say buying an affordable instrument would work out better. Add to that that many soundmen crap themselves if you don't have a FSO to plug in...

I also know some guys who HAVE taken expensive basses out then if something happened to it, they were SOL for parts or expertise to work on their instrument. Having a ubiquitous production line instrument makes those problems easy to fix.
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You really think those guys get their axes busted up allot? Watch some of those videos of their tech explaining their setups. there are bass and guitars with allot of history still on the road on major tours. Those guys are awesome with their equipment.

Geddy still uses a pretty standard Fender..when's the breakin out the Fodera..hum?
 
#120
bassbully said:
You really think those guys get their axes busted up allot? Watch some of those videos of their tech explaining their setups. there are bass and guitars with allot of history still on the road on major tours. Those guys are awesome with their equipment.

Geddy still uses a pretty standard Fender..when's the breakin out the Fodera..hum?
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Accidents still happen. Lot of time on the road? ;)
 

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