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I think I've decided I'm more of a 4-string guy...

It's not only that. Frankly I agree with OP. But todays music, you must take into the account that you (and I) are a bit too biased about "Most songs arent there anyway". Today you have different metal genres, doom, djent, and, death which relies very heavily on detuning their instruments below low B. Some even tunes down to F sharp.
It has went over our heads, us old geezer that thinks most music or popular songs are not in need for low B.

It came around in the 80's when the synthesizers produced low bass without a sweat, and bassists found themselves in a competing range. Some resorted to use Moog taurus pedals, because those one surely got lower. The main thing which I've found is the places, PA's and amplifier system which doesn't track, or go down so low. Most FOH mixer guys loathes it, as the cut everything below 40 Hz anyway. Some players need the detuned and low D though, and they found all "horn songs" written in Bb or Eb, to unwieldy to play on a regularly tuned 4 string bass. Some players needs a fretted low E as well as a fretted low D in order to damp and pop properly with their fretting hand.

I am thinking of getting a Dingwall ABZ 4 string which has a low scale of 36.5 on the thickest string. BUT use BEAD tuning all across it. I think one of the nuisances for me is the unwieldy thicknes of the gauge, that causes a peculiar ramp up as you down on the first few frets. I e the height difference of the top of each strings which can't be remedied or mitigated at all with radius. Since all strings needs to have the same distance down to the first fret, the height and gauge different above it can throw me off quite a couple of times. Not to speak of that the saddles back at the bridge. Most of them haven't got enough space for moving up and down to set a decent action or string height, because the low b string is too thick, and even if you have the saddle nailed down as far as it can go, you're way too high still. And you have to resort to tapered low B-string or open core low b-string. Which induces other problems. This height difference in gauges on any 5 string is what annoys me the most.

It's hard to explain properly, but some bassists out there, Tony Levin, and the Stig guy of D.A.D. uses three strunged basses, and two string basses. Whatever rocks your boat. Sometimes you find out that you really don't need more than 4 strings. However, how those 4 strings are tuned, are another matter. So I personally don't think it's a matter of 4 strings or not, it's more of a matter how those 4ers are tuned.

Dingwall are the only ones I've heard (and owns) that makes a decent low B at 37" Scale. Luckily Ibanez have jumped on the bandwagon now, on fan frets. So people can try out and test and see. The other day, someone in the local store traded in his Lakland 5er for a Ibby 5er fan frets. The Ibby was in the shop for...like... one day.

I still play the 4ers most, but can't stay from tuning down to open D ever so often. The only thing I would've want lower is to play low Eb and D. The C and C sharp I am all game with in regular tuning. So, I could very well tune the 4er to D G C F if I was becoming prickly.

I think Colin Edwin of Porcupine Tree does this. He has numerous basses, but always refrained from 5ers due to their unwieldiness. Rather has 4ers tuned low.
 
And just like the drum kits. A good professional should be able to do more with less tom-toms, double bass drums, and a relaitve lamer must have a whole space shuttle around them in order to play it all. Like all songs required a double bass drum kit. I do sense there's some show off and endowment effect on those people havin 9 or twelve string basses, that looks like you have a skateboard strapped on. The funny thing with all those basses above 6 strings, are that I immediately thinks they shouldn't be hung on your shoulders, they should be lying down on a stand, just like a pedal steel guitar, and you do your tapping on the strings. It's just unergonomic to have too many strings in that view of angle. If you even lay it down on your lap only (playing Jeff Healey style) you have consideraby better access, and helicopter view. As fast as any bass has 6 strings, I immediately starts to tap on the strings for no reason. I think it's too cumbersome to keep track of the strings, and lay it down on my lap or hang it up again. Dont get me started on the Stick which I really do think should be performed like a keyboard instead. As fast as you hang it on your shoulder you're just showing off.... "look how many strings I have on my instrumet". You got a deal on tuners...

On 6 string basses, I think I stay in the bass range, and since I don't play any chords, I skip on that. The 5 string is a BORDERLINE instrument on this. Bass is a musical range, not any instrument. The 5 string is just that perfect example of "do I need it... really?" you can have fun with it for a while, but then you'll either settle for it, or go back. There's absolutely nothing wrong with staying and keep the 5er. At all. If it rocks your boat.
 
So:
OP opens YET ANOTHER thread on the subject of "why more than 4 strings"
And adds a couple personal observations (flawed as they may be)

The title says it's not for them.

And the fish take the bait. .. the first post poses no questions..

He likes 4 strings ----------yay!


I hate Disco, rap and hip-hop...

Who needs these electric thingamajiggies. .. a Doghouse with a 43" scale has the best E I've heard.
:help::wacky::snaphappy::confused:
Escpecially for recording
 
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I can play System of a Down and Kill Switch Engaged and Motown on a 5 string without having to retune and deal with floppy strings or carry another bass. Plus, it suits my man hands just fine. Damn 4 strings don't have bass necks. They have guitar necks!
 
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I always considered myself an extended-range bass player, sporting 5 and 6-string basses. Lately, I've only been wanting to play my MIM Jazz. A four banger. Lately, I'm lusting for an American Deluxe Jazz. The IV would do me just fine... I seem to be floating back to my four string roots again.

I just wish I weren't so clingy with my basses or I could probably afford my Deluxe. :(
 
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Don't know if it's been said or not, but are you sure the basses are the problem? Floppy strings are just as likely to be caused by the strings themselves. None of my strings are floppy. I use 4, 5, and 6 string basses depending what I want. Try out different strings, maybe? Of course, that could lead you down one of the fabled bass rabbit holes.

Good luck. (P.S. I love my Chromes!)
 
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Geez guys. Yes it's a free country/internetz. You can have whatever opinion you want. But what makes you think other people want to hear about what you don't like???

Great, you don't like 5-strings. Good for you. So what was your point?
+1

To the haters - just because you don't have the technique to play one properly, or you can't figure out how use it tastefully in your music, or you don't have the patience to find one that works for you doesn't mean that they are a gimmick or not useful to others. ;)
If you can't hear the difference between a low C and C#, something is wrong with either your rig or your technique.
Or your ears. :D
 
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Just as if someone hates 5 strings! LOL. Thats a jump and argument ad hominem don't you think? As fast as one has gone back from 5 stringers to 4ers, others think they automatically hates 5ers. The thread can very well - as others - be about those who goes back, went to 5ers for a while, but did go back. And the WHY's of going back.

No need to debate, or flame. No matter what anyone says, you're not going to "convert back" the OP or anyone else to 5 ers again. Or the 5 users going to start using 4ers again due to this thread. Or thanks to this thread. I can very well reckon that people with - say - Dingwalls are never going back to 4ers again, regardless of Dingwalls or not.

I just wanted to say, that some people may, might not understand why they're going back. Flubby B-string? maybe. Unwieldy to play? Maybe. Makes one overplay? Maybe. All above combined? The gripe I had, I bet very few has detected. String height at the nut and bridge. So a 4 string tuned BEAD is better. It's still a bass. I want longer scale on the low b though. But the most thing is that very few amps/cabs, even Ampeg 8x10s can't projet that lowest notes fundamental well, or decent enough. And the live stages where you can really get used to that one (even a 4er with BEAD) are just arena gigs with huge PA's. It is just "felt". People say "well, you don't hear that low fundamental at 32 Hz something, but you sense it by the second and third harmonic". Bloody hell you don't. If a cab can't go down that low, you'll hear no difference from that one, and the octave above it. I challenge an A/B test any time. HOWEVER! In studio, with audiophile headphones you can get more mileage of the lowest notes. I don't know that many domestic hi-fi systems that can go down that low. You might hear it in a large church standing 20-30 meters from the cab though.

We all play bass, and as such we all require some bass in our bass sound, we certainly do not have to like the same kind of lows in our sound, nor should we feel we have to conform with what the latest fad or the latest self-proclaimed technical expert says is "good bass". If you tend to go for an old school flatwound soul sound most of your lows will be happening higher up than someone playing an active 5-string with roundwounds.

Now, between 20-40 Hz. These are the kind of lows that are felt more than heard and add a certain rumble and sense of scale to movie soundtracks, pipe organ music and some electronica music. The sub 35Hz realm is very much sound effects territory - explosions, thunder, et al. There is very little content in music below 35Hz so club systems tend to cut off at this point if not a bit higher, whilst live music systems as seen at major festivals / stadiums tends to cut off at 40Hz (which makes the systems a bit more efficient so you need less gear to reach a given SPL than with a system with a 30Hz cut-off). A low tuned bass guitar does have output below 40Hz (5 str low b) but it takes a seriously potent speaker system to reproduce that at high SPL. Sub 40Hz output adds a certain size and weight to music, though. It is almost more felt than heard and is rarely perceived independently of higher bass output (because any low frequencies will have higher overtones). A better word for it would be... rumble. Not bass.

So people may be giving up 5 strings with low b (which ought to be the complete definition of it, really), just because those 4-5 more frets/notes below open E can't be heard, and thus, makes little sense to them. I don't think the OP or any other "5-back-to-4ers" ever discussed the situation of a 5 string with a high C. And the lowest, still an open E. It was not that they went back from.
 
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But those people tuning down their "low B's" to F-sharp dumbfounds me, I am stumped. And say they can hear it. A little OT but still. I think it's a fad today, and there's some weird competition going on "our band tunes down lower than yours and gets away with it". No band I ever heard that tunes down that low, sounds better than if they'd played the same material tuned regularly. They basically "suck" anyway.

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One funny idea I had the other day is comparing to old-timer hard rock and metal bands. You know, today when the old geezers of heavy metal still tours, they have to sink and tune down the old hits, a few tones, from the original, like both half and a whole step (even more) so their singer could really hit those high notes without croaking. Now, think of the following, 20 years on, down the road. The doom metal bands of today makes a reunion tour, and has to tune down - still - a few steps in order for their singer to catch the notes...so the bass player goes "well then I have to tune down from F-sharp to....E". From some 23.3 Hz (F-sharp) to E ...or even lower. 18-19 Hz. Would love to be around when that time comes. ;)

Here's one to end the thread:

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