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Ibanez BTB Club, Part 2!

I think a non-tapered B sounds way better on my BTBs. I always wanted a 556 to go with my other BTBs. Eventually I'll stumble across a deal on one. The neck is hands down the best thing about the BTB series. And for the early ones (your 556 counts here I think), the wide string spacing on both 5 and 6 string versions. Current BTBs changed to narrow spacing on 6 strings, which ruins the entire reason for such a wide and thin neck, IMO.

I can't speak to flats at all, but am happy with either DR or Naked Strings (now defunct) or Carvin labeled La Bella (they now sell Dunlop I believe) rounds on my BTBs.

Hey everyone. Longtime lurker, but this is my first actual post.

Managed to pick this up just after Christmas for just under £300 UK with case. It's a 2007 WMI-made (Korean) BTB 555 MP (maple top on mahogany body; it has some slight flame, but nothing like the 1005s). It had previously been owned by two guitarists, both of whom had immediately decided they didn't like 5-strings, so I was told it had spent most of its life as a case queen and, based on the cleanliness, I mostly believe it. The saddles were all the way up, which set my spidey-senses a-tingling when I got it home but, not to worry, as soon I sorted the neck relief out, the saddles and their attendant action came all the way back down to 'reasonable'. Just needed a decent set-up, basically.

It's the heaviest bass I own at 4.63Kg (10 lbs 3 oz), but it's really not that bad. It's at the upper end of my tolerable zone, but still definitely within it.

Have been loving it so far, although it made a significant change from my usual J's. Having now got used to it, the only thing I don't really like is the medium frets. I tend to prefer jumbos and 6105s, and have consequently developed a fairly light-fingered fretting style. If you're playing stiff-ish flatwounds on mediums, you sometimes have to bury the string into the fingerboard to get it to ring true, whereas with taller frets you can just give them a light squeeze, sometimes not even touching the fingerboard. Nothing that a change of fretting style can't adjust for, but I still prefer my J's for that. I'll refret it with 6105 stainless at some point, and then the issue will solve itself, but I'm in no particular rush as it plays and sounds fine with a slight style adjustment.

Talking of flats: I found I had to do without my usual beloved Labellas. I found that, with the tapered low B string, it was almost impossible to intonate to anything more than a handful of frets at a time. The monorail's design (all captive-ball-end designs, actually ...) makes it impossible to adjust the string length such that the fat part of the string starts immediately after the saddle, and so you get large amounts of taper overhanging the scale length and buggering-up the intonation. On a toploader or through-body, you can add or remove shims to 'move' the taper point, but you can't in a captive-ball-end bridge.

The solution turned out to be Ernie Ball stainless flats (not the cobalts, the 'group' flats; I went with group II, as I like a stiff flat, but you can adjust to taste). These don't have a taper (neither do GHS precisions, although you might need the 'specialist' longer B string from the GHS; I haven't tried them yet, but the Ernie 'B' works fine). The Ernies are a bit strange in that, out of the packet, they're too metallic and 'zing-y' for my tastes, and they're coated in some weird 'gritty'/'scaley' outer substance that almost makes them feel as if they've been galvanically-dipped (like a BZP coating); in contrast to Labellas which feel mirror-smooth. However, the 'zing' goes away (or at least recedes) over the course of three-to-six weeks, and the coating takes about 6-12 weeks to blow-off/wear-smooth. *Now* (four months later) they feel and sound much more similar to Labellas and I really like them a lot, which surprised me because for the first couple of weeks I was sceptical to the point of considering selling the bass. I wouldn't dream of doing it now as the combination is awesome, but it took a while to marinade, so to speak. Real 'ugly duckling'-type strings.

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I agree 100% ;)

Mike
Agreed. I'm astonished at not only the stability but the precision. I'm able to get low action without buzz. I have string heights of 4.2, 3.5, 3, 3 and 3. (In 64ths of an inch). And the neck relief is at 8 thousandths of an inch.
 
I think a non-tapered B sounds way better on my BTBs. I always wanted a 556 to go with my other BTBs. Eventually I'll stumble across a deal on one. The neck is hands down the best thing about the BTB series. And for the early ones (your 556 counts here I think), the wide string spacing on both 5 and 6 string versions. Current BTBs changed to narrow spacing on 6 strings, which ruins the entire reason for such a wide and thin neck, IMO.

I can't speak to flats at all, but am happy with either DR or Naked Strings (now defunct) or Carvin labeled La Bella (they now sell Dunlop I believe) rounds on my BTBs.

Agreed. I couldn't get the tapered Labella to work at all. It may be worse with flats (esp. Labellas) as they focus a lot more on the fundamental by shedding higher order harmonics, so if you're out on the basics it's really noticable. Just grateful that the Ernies (and possibly GHS) are still producing non-tapers. I sort of wish Labella would just produce a non-taper as a single and let people choose whether to buy it or not. I know why they don't (it's easy to break a Labella by over-bending as the wind is so tight), but it's kind-of ironic that a feature that's incorporated to make B-strings work on basses that aren't really designed for them actually makes them more unusable on basses that sort-of are designed specifically for them. Such is life.

The neck was a revelation. Mine's got the original P-Bass+ string spacing and the subtly-asymmetric neck carve -- which I thought I didn't care for for about ... seventeen minutes, until I rapidly got used to it and decided it was awesome. The neck's much flatter than I'm used to (mine seems to a run a 16"-20" compound, but I've only checked with the gauges with the strings on; the gauges would be easier to read with them off), but it sort-of has to be -- with that string spacing it'd be hard to equalize a pickup to each string height if it was too much more curved; you'd need a split-P or something if you wanted a 10". Nevertheless, I adjusted pretty rapidly. I actually like the fact that it's a completely different playing experience to a J. Not better, not worse, just a different type of flavour. The fact I haven't really put it down for four months testifies that it's just fine.
 
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I think a non-tapered B sounds way better on my BTBs. I always wanted a 556 to go with my other BTBs. Eventually I'll stumble across a deal on one. The neck is hands down the best thing about the BTB series. And for the early ones (your 556 counts here I think), the wide string spacing on both 5 and 6 string versions. Current BTBs changed to narrow spacing on 6 strings, which ruins the entire reason for such a wide and thin neck, IMO.

I can't speak to flats at all, but am happy with either DR or Naked Strings (now defunct) or Carvin labeled La Bella (they now sell Dunlop I believe) rounds on my BTBs.
I have a set of La Bella Black Nylons in my BTB 1605 and couldn't deal with the inharmonics of the B string. Replaced it with a single B Chromes and am not looking back.
 
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I have a set of La Bella Black Nylons in my BTB 1605 and couldn't deal with the inharmonics of the B string. Replaced it with a single B Chromes and am not looking back.

I initially replaced just the tapered DTF B-string with the Ernie Ball B-string to see if it would work with the other DTF (760FS) strings. At the time, I thought it didn't, because the Ernie was so much more zingy/metallic and had a weird tactility to it that the difference was a bit too much for me to want to live with. Now, over four months later, I'm fairly convinced they'd have matched up pretty darned well over time if I'd just left them and played them in, but it bugged me enough in the short term that I swapped the EADGs for the group II Ernies, which all seem to be working nicely (after the break-in period ...). I can use the DTFs as back-ups for my 4-string Js anyway, so they're not wasted.

But yeah, the (in)harmonic character / intonation of that tapered B was a pig ...
 
Here’s my 765 that I bought when I started playing again after a break for a few years. It plays great and sounds good, but I agree with what I’ve read on here about the pickup/preamp combination and I’m looking at options.

Size-wise, the Bartolini MK5s are an exact replacement except for 3 screws instead of the 2 on the stock pickups. I’ve also read that P2 sized pickups for, but leave a slightly larger gap on each side and I’m not sure that won’t eventually bother me.

As for the pre, I’m considering changing that out first to see how the pickups respond and I’m thinking about the Aguilar OBP-3, Bartolini NTMB, or possibly checking out the Audere’s that so many of you rave about.
 

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Here’s my 765 that I bought when I started playing again after a break for a few years. It plays great and sounds good, but I agree with what I’ve read on here about the pickup/preamp combination and I’m looking at options.

Size-wise, the Bartolini MK5s are an exact replacement except for 3 screws instead of the 2 on the stock pickups. I’ve also read that P2 sized pickups for, but leave a slightly larger gap on each side and I’m not sure that won’t eventually bother me.

As for the pre, I’m considering changing that out first to see how the pickups respond and I’m thinking about the Aguilar OBP-3, Bartolini NTMB, or possibly checking out the Audere’s that so many of you rave about.

There are so many things in so many sequences that can be done; all without knowing the sonic outcome in the end.

Speaking of Audere... I have an Audere Pro Z in my Fender Jazz 5. I like it a lot. There is one big thing missing... a way to switch to passive mode like on my TRBX605. I think John East has similar preamp configurations, but at least with the Fender Jazz plates there is an active/passive switch. This is the only negative that I could cite with the Audere preamps. Perhaps there is a way to add one?
 
There are so many things in so many sequences that can be done; all without knowing the sonic outcome in the end.

Speaking of Audere... I have an Audere Pro Z in my Fender Jazz 5. I like it a lot. There is one big thing missing... a way to switch to passive mode like on my TRBX605. I think John East has similar preamp configurations, but at least with the Fender Jazz plates there is an active/passive switch. This is the only negative that I could cite with the Audere preamps. Perhaps there is a way to add one?

Switching to passive isn’t a top need for me, but I see where you’re coming from.
 
Switching to passive isn’t a top need for me, but I see where you’re coming from.

A "top" need? No. Sometimes passive just works better in the situations I'm in. Why I said I "like" instead of "love" the Audere Preamp is for two reasons, one being no passive mode. The second is that I have to be very aware of battery levels as, unlike those basses with battery compartments, I have to remove the entire control plate to change the battery. And even though the Audere has a blue flashing low battery warning light, I was never good at reading it so I periodically open it and check the voltage or just change out the battery. The last thing I want is for the battery to go low on a gig. That happened twice with my Yamaha (and it has a warning light too). But luckily I could just switch over to the passive side of the Yamaha and continue. Also, having a passive mode extends the tonal palette.
 
Here’s my 765 that I bought when I started playing again after a break for a few years. It plays great and sounds good, but I agree with what I’ve read on here about the pickup/preamp combination and I’m looking at options.

Size-wise, the Bartolini MK5s are an exact replacement except for 3 screws instead of the 2 on the stock pickups. I’ve also read that P2 sized pickups for, but leave a slightly larger gap on each side and I’m not sure that won’t eventually bother me.

As for the pre, I’m considering changing that out first to see how the pickups respond and I’m thinking about the Aguilar OBP-3, Bartolini NTMB, or possibly checking out the Audere’s that so many of you rave about.
I'd suggest MK6 instead of MK5. Reason most important is the sensing width. You have a wide 19mm string spacing at bridge on that 5 string BTB, so the pickup sensing width needs to be close to 4x19mm=76mm (I've measured my BTB685SC, the bridge pickup needs to have at least 75mm sensing width and the neck pickup needs at least 72mm. More if I counted in the amplitude when the strings are vibrating), whereas the MK5 sensing width is only 71mm as opposed to 84mm on the MK6.

As long as you chose MK6CBC or MK6C which coils have uninterrupted magnet bars inside, there will be no gap problem of sensing the middle D string.

Second reason, although I don't see this as a deal breaker, is that the MK6 only requires 2 screws (as opposed to 3 screws on the MK5 as you mentioned). So, no need to drill more holes when replacing the stock pickups with the MK6.
 
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I just bought a BTB 1606 Deep Twilight. My first 6 string bass. And, the first time I've bought an instrument online without even holding it first.
Very pretty bass. Some of the recent Ibanez finishes have not been to my taste, but that one certainly is.
Congrats on the purchase and have fun playing it.
It's a good knowledgeable group here, but the BTBs seldom need anything beyond basic set up to taste. It'll likely spoil you for a lot of the more boutique stuff too, mine did for me.
 
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Hi bassplayers, looking for info/reviews on the BTB 1836??? Started playing bass 20 yrs ago on a BTB and looking to get the 1836 as an anniversary. Really digging the Bubinga top/back. Curious on comments on how it sounds 2 yaa guys??? Might jus buy it and in a yr gut it out to put Delano setup. Looks like a lot of bass $2k. All comments welcome✌️