The things we have to put up with.......people have no idea how difficult this job is.
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jazz analisys discution.
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He is right, blues is not a pattern form but a chord progression, variants of I..IV..I..V..IV..I.
You. You are acting awfully entitled.
He's the teacher, if you want to pass you will have to push the "I believe" button and learn it his way.
You're in some 100 or 200 level class so your job is not to argue with and somehow "correct" the accumulated knowledge of Western culture, it is to learn that knowledge through the curricula. In the higher level classes once you have learned the proper knowledge to have a relevant opinion you will get the chance to express yourself.
Like idiots arguing with Kant in a 100 level philosophy class. Pointless BS. Chances are you are not as smart as Kant, or as knowledgable as your teacher.
For now, do us, your teacher, and yourself a huge favor and give up arguing that any blues form is AABA or AAB. Not worth it! Push the "I believe" button, learn, and move on.
Once you're writing your PHd you can circle back around and astound the world with your brilliant "the blues as AABA" analysis. Who knows, at that point you may have the knowledge and context to make a credible argument. Right now in my opinion you do not.
And so what happens when it goes to the V chord? Is that the A or the B?
its like a'...And so what happens when it goes to the V chord? Is that the A or the B?
the fact is that this isn't that childish... im graduating this year and he is a teacher since january... so i believe there is a competition that HE begun... i think that you will understand my point of view... as like you were the students and not the teachers like @Member8675309 scammers
Ah.. I see now, you are in university. I apologize, I was under the mistaken impression that you were studying with a private teacher.
Since it's a University curriculum, you just need to roll with it.
As has been mentioned before, learn what they are offering, get your grades, and move forward. No need to perceive an "insult" - the fact is, if you are not a post-doctoral student, then not doing what the professor asks of you ABSOLUTELY qualifies you to receive the epithet "doofus". You should be grateful that the teacher cared enough about your prospects to even bestow that relatively innocuous but obviously well-deserved title upon you.
Really , you should be thanking him, not threatening violence on an internet forum (which your university administration can easily view, by the way). He is simply trying to clue you in on "the way things work" in the world of University academia. A very large amount of useless information is impressed upon you, along with a lot of useful stuff. Your JOB is to learn "what they ask you to learn", and build on it AFTER you have learned it.
It's a SYSTEM - you need to roll with it, or you are wasting your time and money...
yes, i agree with you. but they cannot blame me for nothing, i haven't said his name. you only know me by now...
he isn't here and if he is its anonymous... what i think its pathetic... he doesnt have even a acceptable recordings, he uses finale or sybelius
One of the biggest challenges for me as a bass player is situations where I know the song but the band leader or person who is getting the gig and paying me has a different interpretation, wrong key, missing parts, or my favorite- they provide charts that are not the same format of the song they want to play. Often I and others see it as wrong or confusing or missing a key element, but the other person won't budge. If I learn it their way, the challenge is twice because I make a point to learn their way and also the "correct" way so that I don't remember their bad habits when the gig is over. Don't make a big deal about it. Also don't pay any attention to the bozos who complain about your spelling but can't even point out on a map where Venezuela is....hangin' around talkbass can be like hangin' around with rough bandleaders...
I'm hoping that this gets analyzed and settled soon. There's a group of forum members that haven't seen this tread yet. They'll overanalyze the pieces in question to death, and post walls of text, images, and pages from books to prove points that don't need to be pointed out, and ask questions that don't need to be asked. Then, after all the waters are sufficiently muddied, one of them will go on a 10 page jag about non-root bass parts. This happens so often that you can set your watch by it.
Still seems like someone asking us do do homework for them, though, and little meaningful analyzation has actually occurred.
Still seems like someone asking us do do homework for them, though, and little meaningful analyzation has actually occurred.
I don't think I'm doing anybody's "homework" for them, but here is a sketch of the basic harmony of Charles Brown's original 1945 version (YT below.)
(This is what is played on the first 12 bars of the tune, only, to see the basic 12 bar form. Note the absence of a V7 - IV7 progression in bars 9 & 10 - they consistently use ii7 - V7 / ii7 - V7, instead, that is "F#min7 - B7 / F#min7 - B7.) (The Ray Charles version is similar, in this regard, FYI.)
It is a (slow) 12 bar blues.
Yes?
Thanks.
EDIT: I see that that the OP is referring to the Eric Clapton version, which DOES use a V7 - IV7 (B7 - A7, one bar each) progression in bars 9 & 10. See/Hear YT below.
(This is what is played on the first 12 bars of the tune, only, to see the basic 12 bar form. Note the absence of a V7 - IV7 progression in bars 9 & 10 - they consistently use ii7 - V7 / ii7 - V7, instead, that is "F#min7 - B7 / F#min7 - B7.) (The Ray Charles version is similar, in this regard, FYI.)
It is a (slow) 12 bar blues.
Yes?
Thanks.
EDIT: I see that that the OP is referring to the Eric Clapton version, which DOES use a V7 - IV7 (B7 - A7, one bar each) progression in bars 9 & 10. See/Hear YT below.
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So that chord progression above would be the "A" part, and since it's a 12 bar blues, the song pattern will be the same as for most 12 bar blues that don't have a B part (a separate/different chord progression), namely: AAAAAAAAAAAAAA ad nauseum 
The OP is confusing "chord progression" with "song pattern" or "form". Different things man. Humility will make it easier to learn new things.
The OP is confusing "chord progression" with "song pattern" or "form". Different things man. Humility will make it easier to learn new things.
Well, it is good I can learn something every day, or I had forgotten it. Verse Verse Refrain (or Question Question Answer) is AAB like the blues! No chorus. Driftin' Blues is definitely AAB.
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Not sure where you are getting 16 bars, it is only 12, that clapton version at least.
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Not sure where you are getting 16 bars, it is only 12, that clapton version at least.
Dancing Queen is not jazz or blues no matter what the form. Oh wait nevermind...
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