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Jeff Berlin Discussing Music Ed Part II

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Commreman said:
Please PM me your e mail address and I will get it out to you.
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disregard that,thanks...

John Wentzien said:
I found out breaking it down to triads and figuring those out first gets you familiar with basic chords. As in root third and five. Then break that down to major, minor, augmented, dim...ect. and name the note when played..
add the 7 (and or tensions) later when you know this inside -out. With inversions.

(edit) and write it down on staff paper so you know what the chords look like.
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because john has kindly sent it to me.....thanks again and if i ever find my way back to lincolnland,beers on me
 
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This is a message to the thread moderator Mark Wilson. I dont know if you got my email about that request that I made. I was curious to ask you if something happened about that thing. Did you ever respond to my email to you? Did you email me back? I don't know how to find emails on Talkbass. The skys seem clear and the weather is perfect. Are you the weatherman involved with this lovely climate we are having? Or is it just this way on its own?
 
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Thanks for the pdf Commreman.
Hello Jeff, and all who frequent here to learn. I was thinking of some good learning materials from teachers from my past. And one good one for learning the fingerboard and sightreading was the book of Random Notes.
It was about 100 pages of random 1/4 notes. No Key Signatures... you had to keep the key you were working on in mind. A few pages for each position ( ie: open to fifth fret. And then using 2 positions and expanding the range on down the fingerboard. Also good because you can't memorize what you are playing, and are forced to read.
Another good thing was you could turn the book upside down and still use it. hahahahaha I still have it, too bad I don't have a scanner, or I would scan it and post it. I must give props to my then teacher, Greg Dunstan(Winnipeg,Canada) for that book.
I hope that is worthy for my first post in this great thread. I've learned the quest for knowledge is neverending, in music and life in general. I look forward to discussing music with Jeff and you all. Cheers. RD
 
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notes are just half the story. rhythm can be the complicated part. especially on some big band charts. everyone should go get a gig with the local community theater and play the crappy musicals. i do this just to keep the reading chops up. when they ask me for my address to send me the music i tell them to just make sure its on the stand when i get there. problem is, after the first show its no longer sight reading and then you have to sit through it for several more shows!

Schlyder said:
Thanks Commreman. I was thinking of some good exercizes from my instructors from the past. And one good one for sightreading was the book of Random Notes.
It was about 100 pages of random 1/4 notes. No Key Signatures... you had to keep the key you were working on in mind. A few pages for each position ( ie: open to fifth fret. And then using 2 positions and expanding the range on the fingerboard.
Another good thing was you could turn the book upside down and still use it. hahahahaha I still have it, too bad I don't have a scanner, or I would scan it and post it. I must give props to my then teacher, Greg Dunstan(Winnipeg,Canada) for that book.
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JeffBerlin said:
This is a message to the thread moderator Mark Wilson. I dont know if you got my email about that request that I made. I was curious to ask you if something happened about that thing. Did you ever respond to my email to you? Did you email me back? I don't know how to find emails on Talkbass. The skys seem clear and the weather is perfect. Are you the weatherman involved with this lovely climate we are having? Or is it just this way on its own?
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Emails still come the normal way, not through TalkBass even if sent from TalkBass. PM's reside on your Private Messages page. The link is on your personal TB start page, right below where it says "Welcome back Jeff Berlin".
 
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Anybody else think that A written as the 7th in the Cdim7 chord rather than B double flat in the column is a bit unlike Jeff? I think in his old chord tone book he writes double flat... Anyway thanks Freddels I'm sorta familiar with chord tones, hadn't come across the Lydian7 chord in Jeff's article but I'm aware now. Hi Pete, you're at the players school now aren't you? How's it goin? Florida's weather a little bit better than back here in the UK? ha
 
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JeffBerlin said:
P.S. Bach Cello Suites aren't always the best things to practice. There are lots of other principles to work on that have more tonality and variety and fit right into the e. bass' range. Try some trombone books with exercises and etudes. For me, they are much better bits of music than the Bach sometimes because they'v ebeen written to learn from, not perform.
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A couple of excellent trombone books I have used over the years are the "Melodious Etudes for Trombone" by Joannes Rochut. It is a 3-book series, but I suggest picking up "Introductory Melodius Etudes" by the same author first to cut your teeth on. All great studies in reading & phrasing.
 
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sedgwick1489 said:
Thats the one! What's amazing, if I'm not mistaken, is the etudes were written in the 1800's as vocal studies so they are great for working on phrasing and melodic expression. Also they work many different keys, time sigs, etc. BTW, the books 1-3 get progressively harder - have fun!
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Just by chance, I bought book one (The Melodius Etudes) yesterday! I've also got Sigmund Herings 40 Progressive Etudes for Trombone. The vocal studies seem very cool so far, Herings book is good, particularly for beginers it gets tougher towards the #30s. but few ledger lines. I'll use both for teaching.
 
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is this point of jeff's chord tone exercise to just be familiar with all the different fingerings and combinations possible to play chord tones? im referring to the 1998 bp magazine article
 
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cire113 said:
is this point of jeff's chord tone exercise to just be familiar with all the different fingerings and combinations possible to play chord tones? im referring to the 1998 bp magazine article
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The point of the exercises is to get the overall sound of the chord tones in your ear, and to get the understanding of the construction each chord in your head. Each measure of each exercise starts on a different scale degree (inversion), so you also develop an understanding of what each chord sounds like by NOT starting on the root.

It's a lot of work, and will take a lot of time. The end result is that you will understand chord construction, and your overall fretboard knowledge will increase exponentially. It will make your solos and your playing much more melodic, and it will be easier for you when you either transcribe or sit down with a chord chart to develop a bass line. The idea here is to increase your musical vocabulary.
 
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Hi Jeff,

A while ago I read that you have a single 4-string bass, and that that constraint enabled you to continually re-evaluate what you do, and find new ways to use 3 octaves.

This intrigued me to try it out, i.e. to play a 4-string fretted bass, and nothing else for several months (so far). I just wanted to briefly share my recent experience with others.

Like many here on TB, I've played many different instruments since I was a teenager (currently in my 40s). I'm not a pro, and certainly no master (yet ;-)), but here's what I've noticed:
  • The instrument is now much less "in the way", i.e. it does not distract me from playing vs. thinking
  • My exercises seem to "click" more efficiently
  • I'm more familiar with the entire fretboard
  • I'm noticing more melodic and harmonic relationships than I did previously
  • Overall, playing the instrument feels more organic and therefore is more enjoyable.
  • I have no objective evidence for this, but I think the more the instrument is played, the more the wood "opened up", and the tone improved. Roger Sadowsky mentioned this in an interview and I think he's right.

As an added bonus, I won't likely be spending money on more instruments, and may even sell my now un-played fretless.

So, thanks for that bit of advice.
 
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