Lead Guitarist a Weasel...

[ZAR14]

Yup! This is one of the dumbest threads ever. However, it was saved by the introduction of Tuna Noodle Casserole. Does anyone else like mustard in their TNC?

The guitarist is a doosh, I would have quit too. Place an ad for a Pretenders band and start over. Call the band "The Betenders".

Yup! This is one of the dumbest threads ever. However, it was saved by the introduction of Tuna Noodle Casserole. Does anyone else like mustard in their TNC?

The guitarist is a doosh, I would have quit too. Place an ad for a Pretenders band and start over. Call the band "The Betenders".

I'll pass on the Mustard...

 

[Spidey2112]

"They are if that individual sees what he wrote."

True. If a guitarist closely follows a Bass forum.

Under 'Members Online Now', that would fall under the description of 'robots'... sneaky little hyenas...

 

[lfmn16]

He wanted to keep bringing songs in and when I and the singer said let's get the other songs down before we introduce even more songs, he would pout and say that he is "Chasing his tail" and "Maybe I need to rethink this"....

Why didn't you just boot him out?

+1
It looks like the guy was ready to quit. When he said, "Maybe I need to rethink this" I would have said, "Your right, this isn't working. Thanks for your time, effort and input, but I think everybody see's it's not working. By the way, there's the door."

 

[MordBass]

Not to advocate violence.... but some people like that just need to get put in their place. I had similar dealings with a guy in our area years ago. He was THAT guy. Super abrasive at all times, couldnt talk TO you, only AT you... thought he was the best... etc.
We luckily booted him before I technically joined but he started playing with another band in the same rehearsal building. About a month later we're hanging out back before heading home and hear a huge argument in the hallway...sure enough, its him. One of their guys shoved him against a wall and screamed at him for about 30 straight seconds, literally one inch from his nose. It was like hitting a switch. The guy just put his head down and walked out without saying anything at all, never to return.
Most people are like that for some internal reason and just need to be confronted on their own level. Its usually a big fish/small pond thing from what I've seen.

 

[MordBass]

Sure. If you think that talking badly about someone is wrong, then it’s wrong regardless of the audience. If you think it’s OK to do so long as you’re doing it when no one would find out about it, then you really don’t have an issue with talking badly at all.

I think you're confusing being critical and venting with intentionally fabricating or pushing negative things about a specific individual to people that they personally know.

 

[Sixgunn]

Then only that individual would know. Nobody here knows who the OP or guitarist in question are. Are you really saying that's comparable to trashing someone to people who know who you are talking about??

I know!! The original name would be totally appropriate for the name of the tribute band!!!

 

[Honch]

They are if that individual sees what he wrote.

Nope, since they didn't have their premier gig with a band name that are easily identified. As fast as they went public and played their first gig, word would be out that there's a Pretenders tribute band. If everything like that is in the can, and in the works, but never ever get past rehearsal stage, it's totally anonymous. Now I don't know hoe may Pretenders tribute bands exists already in Cleveland, but I don't think Cleveland is that small, that everyone knows each other.

If so, then it's only that individual that get some ruffled feathers, and rightfully so. I don't even think someone else can spot the person IRL.

 

[gln1955]

As I previously stated, WE All had momens where mistakes were made...He wanted to keep bringing songs in and when I and the singer said let's get the other songs down before we introduce even more songs, he would pout and say that he is "Chasing his tail" and "Maybe I need to rethink this"....
I've dealt with Attitude and Drama back in my 20s, at my age, Its not Happening...

If he's saying stuff like that, then it's time for everyone to lay the cards on table and decide how things are going to progress and maybe who needs to leave the band. In person, not in a text or email.

 

[GBBSbassist]

Some musicians can learn a new song in minutes. Some take much longer. Which one are you? It doesn't matter. You guys should have agreed on a specific progression rate of new songs being added. No one is interested in booking a tribute band that can play 8-10 songs of that band, unless maybe you were a Europe tribute band. Then you really only need to learn one song

Last night my band (all original) started working on a few covers in preparation for a tribute show at some point. We decided to listen to a song last night and try and add it right then. Me, the singer, and our other guitar player picked it up right away. Our bass player and drummer, not even close. The point is, no amount of playing that song over and over at rehearsal is going to make it click for them. They need to practice it on their own. Sounds like your band needed to do the same. Nothing wrong with adding more songs and then refining them later.

 

[Steve]

behind my back he was saying that I lack motovation. I said "I'm Done" and walked.
Now I hear that this jerk is trashing me and spreading lies about me. There are times you'd really like to slap someone!

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

 

[jive1]

This may or may not be the issue, but the situation reminds me of an issue I've been on both sides of.....

I have put together bands many times. Sometimes you'll get someone in who looks like a good fit, and is into what the band is trying to do. But soon after, the guy starts pitching ideas and/or act in a way they are trying to take charge of the band. As the guy who created the vision and put the band together, I have to admit that it rubs me the wrong way when someone else seems like they are taking over. Especially, when it's different than what I envisioned and taking us further from it. I have a friend that I love who is also a great musician, but I can't really do bands with him with me as a leader because of this.

I have also been the guy accused of taking over as well because I take stuff like this seriously. Progress and accomplishment is important to me and my motivation. I was invited to join a band by a friend who was relatively new to the biz and wanted my experience. So, I come in with guns blazing and basically making everyone drink from a firehose. A day or so later, I get word that my friend was upset by me and that I stole the person's thunder. It was supposed to be his band after all. So, I apologized, became a sideman, and let him do the heavy lifting.

Because of situations like this, I think it's important to state what the leadership or partnership is going to be. It should be explicitly and honestly stated, and shouldn't be implied. It prevents the ruffling of feathers and the ensuing drama that could unfold from it.

 

[jive1]

Nothing wrong with adding more songs and then refining them later.

When I start a cover band, one of the first things I do is come up with the repertoire. It gives us a long term goal to work for, and flushes out any conflicts musicians have with the material at the beginning. Also, by seeing a night's worth of songs all at once, you see if there is any themes, redundancy, inconsistency, etc. Once you get everyone's favorites and 'not in a million years' songs fleshed out, you can focus more on the performance of songs vs the selection of songs.

 

[Sixgunn]

Mustard is best left in the bottle.

I beg to differ!!

 

[MordBass]

This may or may not be the issue, but the situation reminds me of an issue I've been on both sides of.....

I have put together bands many times. Sometimes you'll get someone in who looks like a good fit, and is into what the band is trying to do. But soon after, the guy starts pitching ideas and/or act in a way they are trying to take charge of the band. As the guy who created the vision and put the band together, I have to admit that it rubs me the wrong way when someone else seems like they are taking over. Especially, when it's different than what I envisioned and taking us further from it. I have a friend that I love who is also a great musician, but I can't really do bands with him with me as a leader because of this.

I have also been the guy accused of taking over as well because I take stuff like this seriously. Progress and accomplishment is important to me and my motivation. I was invited to join a band by a friend who was relatively new to the biz and wanted my experience. So, I come in with guns blazing and basically making everyone drink from a firehouse. A day or so later, I get word that my friend was upset by me and that I stole the person's thunder. It was supposed to be his band after all. So, I apologized, became a sideman, and let him do the heavy lifting.

Because of situations like this, I think it's important to state what the leadership of partnership is going to be. It should be explicitly and honestly stated, and shouldn't be implied. It prevents the ruffling of feathers and the ensuing drama that could unfold from it.

I feel like this is spot on.
From what I read the OP isnt lazy or lacking motivation at all... the other dude is just the type that puts the cart before the horse and was trying to add a bunch of other songs before they even finished the first batch. I've met guys like that, all quantity, no quality. Just swinging their johnson around for the sake of doing so.

 

[mellowinman]

First off..what are you 12?
And for the record, I like Tuna Casserole...

Sorry, man. How could I have possibly known? And for the record, I am 12.

 

[gln1955]

When I start a cover band, one of the first things I do is come up with the repertoire. It gives us a long term goal to work for, and flushes out any conflicts musicians have with the material at the beginning. Also, by seeing a night's worth of songs all at once, you see if there is any themes, redundancy, inconsistency, etc. Once you get everyone's favorites and 'not in a million years' songs fleshed out, you can focus more on the performance of songs vs the selection of songs.

In the OP's Pretenders tribute band, you pretty much know what the repetoire is going to be. Everyone should be working on all of the songs from the get go.

 

[ZAR14]

And here's another kicker...
I'm a Browns fan and have tickets for sundays game. Low 30s and snow...

 

[SmokinJoe992]

And here's another kicker...
I'm a Browns fan and have tickets for sundays game. Low 30s and snow...

I am also a Browns fan. You have my sympathy.

 

[Sixgunn]

+1
It looks like the guy was ready to quit. When he said, "Maybe I need to rethink this" I would have said, "Your right, this isn't working. Thanks for your time, effort and input, but I think everybody see's it's not working. By the way, there's the door."

Did you actually mean it was his right, or he was correct?

 

[jive1]

I am also a Browns fan. You have my sympathy.

I took the Browns to the Super Bowl this morning....