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Martial Arts anyone?

#146
Aaron Saunders said:
My point is that 99.99% of WC gyms do not spar. It's just not something taught in the core of wing chun, ving tsun, or whatever the hell you want to call it.

WC's "theories" are just that -- theories. It's not pressure tested by anyone.

"I've been on the receiving end of it and I've had it work for me" -- let's see some videos.

See, the thing is, you can find videos of just about anything now -- including hard sparring for several forms of karate, judo, thai boxing, western boxing, etc. etc. but to this day I have never found (and no one on Bullshido's forums, who've looked a hell of a lot longer than I) any videos of chunners doing anything but slapsies and compliant drills.
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Oh is that like "no pics, no bass"?

As far as the gyms not sparring, I have no experience with any schools other than having worked hard with my brother back in the 70's and 80's.

There is virtually nothing of him on film from back then but I saw him many times show how difficult concepts were workable, only if the person attempting them had proper understanding, and no system is different on this point; just many of them are more easily applicable, and yes, maybe even more effective.

These facts however do not invalidate other styles.

Our family started out in the 60's with Judo and shortly thereafter, led mainly by my brother, followed our Chinese roots, which made sense with my grandfather being a tai chi, chi gong and chin na instructor.

You won't believe anything but your own eyes, but I helped with many demos back in the 80's in which my brother (not I) took on any challengers at the end.

I never saw a second challenge if the first one tried to hurt him and he's still the only person I know of to have disarmed a law officer who wanted to show the impossibility of facing an opponent with their handgun held out of reach.
 
#150
Akami said:
Oh is that like "no pics, no bass"?

As far as the gyms not sparring, I have no experience with any schools other than having worked hard with my brother back in the 70's and 80's.

There is virtually nothing of him on film from back then but I saw him many times show how difficult concepts were workable, only if the person attempting them had proper understanding, and no system is different on this point; just many of them are more easily applicable, and yes, maybe even more effective.

These facts however do not invalidate other styles.

Our family started out in the 60's with Judo and shortly thereafter, led mainly by my brother, followed our Chinese roots, which made sense with my grandfather being a tai chi, chi gong and chin na instructor.

You won't believe anything but your own eyes, but I helped with many demos back in the 80's in which my brother (not I) took on any challengers at the end.

I never saw a second challenge if the first one tried to hurt him and he's still the only person I know of to have disarmed a law officer who wanted to show the impossibility of facing an opponent with their handgun held out of reach.
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The thing is, how many of those challengers were actually trained? I have limited grappling experience, yet when new people came to the gym I could demolish them. But guys in the gym beat my ass left and right. Some untrained guy is fairly easy to beat.
 
#151
Poop-Loops said:
I remember during one of my last days in TKD, I was sparring some guy. Did a perfect reverse punch like we need for forms. Didn't do any damage. Instructor says "No no, those are good for forms, but you have to put power behind your punch when sparring!"

Me: "What the f--" *kicked in the face*

This guy wasn't some chump, either. He had an 8th dan in TKD and really did know what he was doing. It's just the inherent flaw in forms that make them garbage.
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Personally I'm not a huge fan of Taewondo. In my opinion it is more the way you describe martial arts. Lot's of kicking, lot's of look at me and not much hit the right spots with little effort and disable. There is a fighter here they called superkick vic that pretty much won everything he entered in KB. His background was Taewondo originally and he attributes his success to it's training. That was sports, not street.

Maybe take into account that like anything MA are not all the same. After breifly studying a few a decide that I prefered Hapkido far more than any other. For me it was my best choice, but not right for everyone.

Hapkido attracted me because it was straight to the point pardon the pun. Pressure points, locks and hitting in the weakest parts of the body. Like Kung Fu I appreciated it's philosiphies as they were to me peacefull and respectfull of others. Kung Fu I found to be one of the arts that was a decade thing before it became practical. In other words you need to do a lot before you gain a little. Hapkido is far more rapid. Kickboxing for fitness only now.

My instructor teaches Taewondo, Hapkido and Kickboxing but Taewondo just didn't do it for either. Maybe it's not MA you have an issue with, maybe it's the style that wasn't suited to you. That I can understand completly.

Don't know much about Karate, but it seems to be a whole huge variation in itself too. One Karate being different to others, some average, some great. Sounds like application of the style.

Do I need that Stingray sound or a J bass? Some love Stingrays, some hate them. The're both bass guitars.

My wife used to do Taewondo, with a total tool. The instructor was a very bad example for the art/sport. I know it sounds racist but my preference would be an native origen instructor.

Before anyone gets on their high horses, I hear a lot on here will only buy american basses because it's better quality "generally", well the better "generally" instructors I've studied with have been asian.

On the sparing thing, it's a mandatory and constant thing here.
 
#154
Poop-Loops said:
The thing is, how many of those challengers were actually trained? I have limited grappling experience, yet when new people came to the gym I could demolish them. But guys in the gym beat my ass left and right. Some untrained guy is fairly easy to beat.
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Some were, some weren't, but many of the non-trained guys were more dangerous as they sometimes tend to have unpredictable behaviour.

Many times it was easy for him but there was one that I specifically begged him to take more seriously who I had overheard telling people how he was going to pull out all the stops and show how worthless my brother's abilities were.

That one was at a Family Fitness Center where we did a series of demos and the guy bowed out when presented with a legal release form.
 
#157
morf said:
To tell you the truth I've met plenty of black belts, Judo, Karate, TDK, etc. In a street fight what they know isn't worth much against someone who knows what to expect.
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I don't know about the Judoka you know, but I studied judo throughout college and have found it exceptionally useful in the few occasions where I've been involved in street fights.

The throws are fairly good, but chokeholds and armbars are more useful.
 
#159
dlloyd said:
I don't know about the Judoka you know, but I studied judo throughout college and have found it exceptionally useful in the few occasions where I've been involved in street fights.

The throws are fairly good, but chokeholds and armbars are more useful.
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I know more than one actually. I've done Judo for a few years with my uncle, they're pretty much a "Judo community".

Either way, my opinion stands. If the guy facing you knows what to expect and can throw a decent punch you're done for.
 

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