Mesa Subway D-350!

[nostatic]

NOTHING has been decided.

 

[Basically Bob]

To repeat, it's not just the cost. There would have to be a significant size difference and would have to address those who really need a fanless amp. Also targeted to those who have cabinets that have a much lower power handling rating than what would be suitable for a higher powered amp.

Yes!

I consider my Crazy 88 and an Audio Kinesis Thunderchild 115 (both are 4 ohms and Mike Arnopol Composite builds) the cornerstones of my signal chain and normally run a Tonehammer 350 through them. Both are rated between 400 and 450 watts. I also use a Subway Preamp/DI when using other rigs. ... I love it! (It is so easy to find the tone I want). Unfortunately the TH350 does not have an effects loop which would allow me to run the Subway Preamp/DI and stay under the power handling rating.

That being said, I have used my Shuttle 6.2 along with the Subway Preamp/DI with the TC115 but really don’t like to do it.

Cost has absolutely nothing to do with a Subway D350 being on my wish list.

 

[tombowlus]

To repeat, it's not just the cost. There would have to be a significant size difference and would have to address those who really need a fanless amp. Also targeted to those who have cabinets that have a much lower power handling rating than what would be suitable for a higher powered amp.

+1 As someone who owns both the D-800 and a D-350 prototype, the size difference is not that significant, nor would the street price be half the price (I believe). The D-800 is pretty darned compact, pretty darned light, and very affordable, IMHO. So I would think that to be a viable addition to the lineup, it would have to be a good bit smaller, or a good bit less expensive.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Nobody has bit yet:
Mesa Boogie Subway D-350 Prototype Bass Amplifier | The Bodega | Reverb

 

[Playbyear]

Nobody has bit yet:
Mesa Boogie Subway D-350 Prototype Bass Amplifier | The Bodega | Reverb

I think because it was priced as a “collectors item”.
Now it’s priced at actual value for a new amp with warranty.
It’s still a used amp and I don’t know if there would be any product support should it need service.

 

[Downunderwonder]

+1 As someone who owns both the D-800 and a D-350 prototype, the size difference is not that significant, nor would the street price be half the price (I believe). The D-800 is pretty darned compact, pretty darned light, and very affordable, IMHO. So I would think that to be a viable addition to the lineup, it would have to be a good bit smaller, or a good bit less expensive.

That was established very quickly in the thread. Then the ''but feature make it bigger'' was raised and I think pretty settled.

Then Agedhorse came up with a tentative proposal of a new fanless ''small D800'' which is a bit smaller than your 350.

Then crickets.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I think because it was priced as a “collectors item”.
Now it’s priced at actual value for a new amp with warranty.
It’s still a used amp and I don’t know if there would be any product support should it need service.

I think Mesa stands behind its stuff. You may have to pay out of pocket for any repairs, if needed but, It would be worth it!

 

[Playbyear]

I think Mesa stands behind its stuff. You may have to pay out of pocket for any repairs, if needed but, It would be worth it!

I want to make it clear that I understand that Mesa is known for excellent product support.

This is a “prototype that got away”. I’m not sure what the support would be in that specific situation. That’s all!

 

[DJ Bebop]

I want to make it clear that I understand that Mesa is known for excellent product support.

This is a “prototype that got away”. I’m not sure what the support would be in that specific situation. That’s all!

I still think they'd help a brother or a sister out on this
No reason not to as they built it. Probably know who this is.

 

[Downunderwonder]

I still think they'd help a brother or a sister out on this
No reason not to as they built it. Probably know who this is.

I think they would probably be eager to look after it at least as well as any other out of warranty regular supply chain amp. They might even be EXTRA interested to find failure modes in a prototype.

 

[alaskaleftybass]

I think because it was priced as a “collectors item”.
Now it’s priced at actual value for a new amp with warranty.
It’s still a used amp and I don’t know if there would be any product support should it need service.

About product support-- that's a good question for @agedhorse .

 

[alaskaleftybass]

Then Agedhorse came up with a tentative proposal of a new fanless ''small D800'' which is a bit smaller than your 350.

That sounds pretty hot! I wonder what the price would be. Hard to imagine an 800 watt ICE that's fanless.

 

[agedhorse]

About product support-- that's a good question for @agedhorse .

I don't know how that would be handled, though since the product was never sold by Mesa I can't see how it would be covered under warranty. Without a sales receipt, it would under the best of terms fall under 5 years from the date of manufacture but it was never manufactured and the prototypes were hand built one-offs from over 5 years ago.

I would guess (that's all I can do at this time) is that we may try to repair it at the out of warranty service rate.

That sounds pretty hot! I wonder what the price would be. Hard to imagine an 800 watt ICE that's fanless.

It would be hard to imagine, certainly at 2 ohms and much smaller than the current D-800.

 

[alaskaleftybass]

I don't know how that would be handled, though since the product was never sold by Mesa I can't see how it would be covered under warranty. Without a sales receipt, it would under the best of terms fall under 5 years from the date of manufacture but it was never manufactured and the prototypes were hand built one-offs from over 5 years ago.

I would guess (that's all I can do at this time) is that we may try to repair it at the out of warranty service rate.



It would be hard to imagine, certainly at 2 ohms and much smaller than the current D-800.

Thanks Andy.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I don't know how that would be handled, though since the product was never sold by Mesa I can't see how it would be covered under warranty. Without a sales receipt, it would under the best of terms fall under 5 years from the date of manufacture but it was never manufactured and the prototypes were hand built one-offs from over 5 years ago.

I would guess (that's all I can do at this time) is that we may try to repair it at the out of warranty service rate.

That's what I was thinking. Under warranty no, but repaired at owners expense sure.

 

[agedhorse]

That's what I was thinking. Under warranty no, but repaired at owners expense sure.

This is just a guess, not a guarantee.

 

[DJ Bebop]

This is just a guess, not a guarantee.

Nothing's guaranteed but death and taxes.
And the fine equipment manufactured by Mesa

 

[Playbyear]

I wasn’t looking to start any controversy. I’ve had some experience with prototypes before.

A company I worked for bought a prototype machine (on the used market), without knowing it’s history. They got a “deal” (about $1.5 million new, they paid half that for a two year old machine).

When I needed schematics and tech support from the manufacturer, they were willing to give me documents, but told me on no uncertain terms that the prototype was sold previously to be dismantled and parted out. It was not compliant and had no warranty. Product support was limited to schematics and basic tech info on the components.

 

[Downunderwonder]

That sounds pretty hot! I wonder what the price would be. Hard to imagine an 800 watt ICE that's fanless.

Smaller box less wattage fanless with similar feature set was what I was driving ar.

 

[alaskaleftybass]

Smaller box less wattage fanless with similar feature set was what I was driving ar.

Agreed.