Govithoy said:
How? It implied that his favourite FOODS were pizza and burritos, which he still LONGED for.
"get's"?
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Morbid obesity discussion
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How? It implied that his favourite FOODS were pizza and burritos, which he still LONGED for.
"get's"?
I just really feel that alot of his loved ones failed him on some level.
If this person is sick, or in dire need of some sort of intervention, then beyond his singular desire to eat and eat, someone, anyone, should have attempted to step in.
This is not to say they didn't. Maybe he would get pissed at the notion and become violent. Maybe after repeated tries they gave up and possibly resented him. Who knows?
Abuse could go both ways here.
I'm just throwing out scenarios. I just would never wish this on anyone...and to think there is actually a segment of society that fosters this type of "bodily disfigurement" (and I say that in re: to those who PURPOSELY do this) in the name of porn, or humorous Spencer Gift cards. To get yourself to that level to make money off of someone taking your photo in the interest of having people laugh at you.
It's just sad. Like I said, I'm a large guy, and am conscious of that fact, but I'm not uncomfortable. I only hope he can meet his goals. I just wish he or someone who cares/ed for him had stepped in waay sooner, to a positive end.
If this person is sick, or in dire need of some sort of intervention, then beyond his singular desire to eat and eat, someone, anyone, should have attempted to step in.
This is not to say they didn't. Maybe he would get pissed at the notion and become violent. Maybe after repeated tries they gave up and possibly resented him. Who knows?
Abuse could go both ways here.
I'm just throwing out scenarios. I just would never wish this on anyone...and to think there is actually a segment of society that fosters this type of "bodily disfigurement" (and I say that in re: to those who PURPOSELY do this) in the name of porn, or humorous Spencer Gift cards. To get yourself to that level to make money off of someone taking your photo in the interest of having people laugh at you.
It's just sad. Like I said, I'm a large guy, and am conscious of that fact, but I'm not uncomfortable. I only hope he can meet his goals. I just wish he or someone who cares/ed for him had stepped in waay sooner, to a positive end.
john turner said:
I was thinking it meant he hasn't left his house because he can't make it more than 15 feet without needing a rest.
Toasted said:
Cool. What are you doing April 6, 2011 at around 5:25pm GMT?
Better yet... what day do you die on?
Just wondering how well your crystal ball works.
Seriously.
Toasted said:
Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Do you think the people out there doing stupid things don't know that what they're doing is stupid?
Self destructive behavior takes many forms; this is just one of them.
You have to live a little before you get to know your demons. It's part of the human condition.
Just thought this needed repeating. The rats you mentioned either have problems in that they are over stimulated in the lateral hypothalamus and thus are always getting the signal to start eating, or are understimulated in the ventromedial hypothalamus and don't send the signal to stop.nonsqtr said:
This thread is a perfect example of the fundamental attribution error - giving far too much blame to the individual without taking into account the environment. We know nothing of this man, but that he is obese, he has been for a long time, and he likes junk food. Most people like junk food. Does that mean that everyone who likes junk food and is fat is completely at fault? We know absolutely nothing of what this guy actually eats and yet the conclusion has been drawn that he is "stupid/moronic" because he is fat. To me, that is moronic. To be that fat, he must have some major biological problems that have largely contributed to this.
Strangely, obesity is one of the few diseases that we almost exclusively attribute to the individual. Whats more remarkable is the fact that in an increasingly fat world, we still have next to no empathy for a person who has obesity. We look at someone who dies due to obesity with disdain, while we view people like Kurt Cobain (*) as heroes. Now really, which one of the two had more control over their destiny?
* - don't get me wrong, I'm a massive fan of Kurt. But what he did was as stupid as anything I've ever read in the Darwin Awards.
Leigh
This thread has to be one of the most ignorant bigotry laden ones I've ever read here. Yeah, this guy is totally responsible for his condition and all he had to do was lay off the burritos and all would be well. Right. I am friends with a family that is dealing with a child that has Prader-Willi Syndrome. She is the sweetest little girl you could ever meet. She is in hell. She has literally no control over her eating and must be monitored 7x24. She is sadistically made fun of and excluded from EVERYTHING by her peers. She often cries in rage and sadness at her condition, yet seems powerless to do anything about it. She was up to almost 150 pounds at 9 years old. She is slowly but surely losing the weight, but it has been one brutal ordeal for her.
Those of you who smoke, stop immediately it's killing you. Those of you that do alchohol and/or drugs, stop now. You're destroying your body. Those of you that (insert your favorite addiction here) Please stop at once. It's easy!!
Easier said than done isn't it?
Yes this guys failings are much more visibly obvious than most. If he was 90 pounds by kindergarten, he obviously had the deck stacked against him from the get go. Look at yourself in the mirror and judge yourself first though. Whoever is perfect can continue to criticize him. The rest of you STFU.
Those of you who smoke, stop immediately it's killing you. Those of you that do alchohol and/or drugs, stop now. You're destroying your body. Those of you that (insert your favorite addiction here) Please stop at once. It's easy!!
Easier said than done isn't it?
Yes this guys failings are much more visibly obvious than most. If he was 90 pounds by kindergarten, he obviously had the deck stacked against him from the get go. Look at yourself in the mirror and judge yourself first though. Whoever is perfect can continue to criticize him. The rest of you STFU.
I agree it's not just his diet that caused his problems. Could be influenced by his previous health and a number of other factors. Even genetics. They may curse him with a predisposition to gain weight, but this is only half the problem. He has an eating disorder, the inverse of anorexia of bulemia. He had no desire to stop eatign or stay in shape. I'm sure this wasn't made easier by the social perception of obese people, though. I'm sure he was embarrassed about his physical self, even depressed. If he was at the point where he stayed in his home for 7 years due to social problems, then it would seem to me he had just given up. If when he was 350-400 pounds somebody had helped him to get to a doctor or dietician, then the cycle could have been broken. He could have stabilized there or even lost weight before it became completely hopeless.
I think we should give this guy a bit of a break.
Travis
I think we should give this guy a bit of a break.
Travis
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
Toasted said:
you're missing the point. anyone, ANYONE, who thinks that they are immune to having potentially self-distructive things happen to them by mistakes that they themselves make is totally naive.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
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Ignorance abounds! Threads like this remind me of why I am no longer very active here at TalkBass. For what it's worth, I'd rather be fat than ignorant.
Amen, X! The ignorance of some people is truly astounding. I honestly did not know that people could be as ignorant as some of the people who have posted in this thread.XavierG said:
My wife had been large most of her life, and hated the way she looked. No matter what she did, she could not lose weight. Last Summer she had a MGB and so far has lost over 100 pounds.
The most shocking thing for her other than the weight loss was how differently people treated her as she got into a more "normal" weight range. She alternates between being happy making new friends and rage that these people didn't talk to her before simply because she was considered fat.
I see many ignorant comments in this thread. All I can say to those "perfect" people in this thread is, you have nothing to say until you've walked a mile in this man's shoes. If you don't take anything else away from this thread, at least learn some respect for other people.
The most shocking thing for her other than the weight loss was how differently people treated her as she got into a more "normal" weight range. She alternates between being happy making new friends and rage that these people didn't talk to her before simply because she was considered fat.
I see many ignorant comments in this thread. All I can say to those "perfect" people in this thread is, you have nothing to say until you've walked a mile in this man's shoes. If you don't take anything else away from this thread, at least learn some respect for other people.
I don't have exact figures to support this statement, but suffice it to say that, for every ONE person that actually has a genetic disorder which causes thier obesity, there's hundreds, no THOUSANDS, who are the source of thier own problems.
To those of you who've lost alot of weight, congratulations. Not only have you done it, you serve as a role model for those who're too emotionally weak to do it for themselves.
Morbid Obesity is a HUGE problem, to which I attribute a number of things, as the cause.
1) Cable TV, & our national obsession w/ the mindless. This trains your body to be immobile, thus reducing your activity level & increasing your muchie potential.
2) Current state of "What's ok to eat". The fast food industry is literally killing our country. That, in combination w/ places like "Hometown Buffet", give people are reason, nay, a MOTIVE to eat far more than they should.
3) Political Correctness gone amok. In the US, its now inappropriate to even tell the truth. We're far too concerned about peoples FEELLINGS, & not NEARLY as concerned as we should be about thier realities. Addictive people lie about thier addictions. ALL of them do, no matter the addiction.
Those addicted to food, are no different. Ask a direct question, & you'll be called an *******.
4) Skyrocketing medical insurance costs. IMHO, these increases are largely because of the increasing fat quotient here in America. I know I've told the story of a guy I know,
who fits the classic mold of an addictive eater. If you recall, he has undergone reconstructive knee surgery, because of his girth. Who pays for it? The subscriber pays a small part, but the biggest chunk is paid by the insurance companies, & in turn, rate hikes to everyone else who has health insurance.
To those of you who've lost alot of weight, congratulations. Not only have you done it, you serve as a role model for those who're too emotionally weak to do it for themselves.
Morbid Obesity is a HUGE problem, to which I attribute a number of things, as the cause.
1) Cable TV, & our national obsession w/ the mindless. This trains your body to be immobile, thus reducing your activity level & increasing your muchie potential.
2) Current state of "What's ok to eat". The fast food industry is literally killing our country. That, in combination w/ places like "Hometown Buffet", give people are reason, nay, a MOTIVE to eat far more than they should.
3) Political Correctness gone amok. In the US, its now inappropriate to even tell the truth. We're far too concerned about peoples FEELLINGS, & not NEARLY as concerned as we should be about thier realities. Addictive people lie about thier addictions. ALL of them do, no matter the addiction.
Those addicted to food, are no different. Ask a direct question, & you'll be called an *******.
4) Skyrocketing medical insurance costs. IMHO, these increases are largely because of the increasing fat quotient here in America. I know I've told the story of a guy I know,
who fits the classic mold of an addictive eater. If you recall, he has undergone reconstructive knee surgery, because of his girth. Who pays for it? The subscriber pays a small part, but the biggest chunk is paid by the insurance companies, & in turn, rate hikes to everyone else who has health insurance.
DOH...
My point is, that it is a VERY real issue. One that MUST be addressed. Yet, so many people refuse to even admit there's a problem, let alone address it.
It just KILLS me when I read stuff from other posters, who're trying to counter-spin against the move to improve. BUT, Food abusers will try anything they can to counter this fact. Just like an alcoholic, or a heroin addict. They'll lie right to your face, & twist reality to fit any BS arguement they can think of.
Another point... I've heard SOME obese people actually try to equate other obvious differences, to thier eating disorder. I'm not kidding, I've heard the sentence, "Hey, you're not allowed to descriminate against minorities, just because they're not white. Well, I'm overweight & I can't help it."
Just another twist to take the easy road to denial. Yes, a person might be overweight, even morbidly so. BUT, as an overweight person, people do have a choice. A person has no choice over the color of thier skin, or the sex, or nation of origin, or thier age. HUGE difference, IMHO.
Just one more thing, yes,, I know... It's difficult... Yes, I DO have some idea... I lost 45 pounds, about 5 years ago, because I was up to 215. If it was easy, everyone would be thin, & this wouldn't be an issue.
So, if you know someone w/ addictive tendancies, surrounding thier consumption of food, don't buy into thier bullschtick. You're not helping them, you're enabling them to do nothing, or worse,,, become even more obese. It's tough, because its hard to get "in your face" w/ a friend, or even someone you care about. But, its like that thread w/ the shoplifting girl friend, you've GOTTA intervene. If care about them at all, you'll try to help.
My point is, that it is a VERY real issue. One that MUST be addressed. Yet, so many people refuse to even admit there's a problem, let alone address it.
It just KILLS me when I read stuff from other posters, who're trying to counter-spin against the move to improve. BUT, Food abusers will try anything they can to counter this fact. Just like an alcoholic, or a heroin addict. They'll lie right to your face, & twist reality to fit any BS arguement they can think of.
Another point... I've heard SOME obese people actually try to equate other obvious differences, to thier eating disorder. I'm not kidding, I've heard the sentence, "Hey, you're not allowed to descriminate against minorities, just because they're not white. Well, I'm overweight & I can't help it."
Just another twist to take the easy road to denial. Yes, a person might be overweight, even morbidly so. BUT, as an overweight person, people do have a choice. A person has no choice over the color of thier skin, or the sex, or nation of origin, or thier age. HUGE difference, IMHO.
Just one more thing, yes,, I know... It's difficult... Yes, I DO have some idea... I lost 45 pounds, about 5 years ago, because I was up to 215. If it was easy, everyone would be thin, & this wouldn't be an issue.
So, if you know someone w/ addictive tendancies, surrounding thier consumption of food, don't buy into thier bullschtick. You're not helping them, you're enabling them to do nothing, or worse,,, become even more obese. It's tough, because its hard to get "in your face" w/ a friend, or even someone you care about. But, its like that thread w/ the shoplifting girl friend, you've GOTTA intervene. If care about them at all, you'll try to help.
The Golden Boy said:
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Then don't eat the pizza?
I mean this is such a dumb arguement, no matter what, he didnt have to eat the way he did. Especially if you have a problem that prohibits exercise... Notice he lost so much weight just from a 1,200 calorie diet... Think about how much he had to eat to get to 1100lb... I mean really he had to have been eating at least 8,000 calories a day! Now, tell me it isn't his own fault.
Is this really about fault? Or is it about having empathy and being a decent human being to everyone, even people whose lifestyle circumstances are so radically different from one's own?
Bard2dbone said:
Great post. I'm much the same way. I'd be very, very thin at 200 (not quite, but close to, skin and bones). Know what? I consume less than 1500 calories a day. Sometimes less than 1000. I exercise about 30-45 minutes a day. I spend a few nights a week walking around the city for a few hours with friends. Know where I'm at? 230. Fairly static since beginning of high school. When I was doing wrestling, I went down to (gasp!) 220.
Guess I'm a lazy, stupid fat ass for being "stout."
Who'da thought?
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