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guy n. cognito said:
This is, of course, completely untrue. Construction issues, like wiring, are often the cause of warranty claims.

I get it....you don't like Fender. I only own one, and have no plans of owning another, fwiw. But none of that changes the fact that a parts bass is a parts bass, and not a real "Fender" as thought of by the general. Using public.
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Its not that i don't like Fender, i rather love my Fenders(Family pic below). But i don't agree with the idea that someone can build a bass of all fender parts, the same one used on the factory floors and people say you cant call it a Fender or even a Precision bass. The bulk of Fenders have very simple wiring, not all, but most. There's not much to the wiring of my P or j, however i wont dig into the Jaguar wiring by myself. I do think a person has to disclose all known details when selling, But to not be able to call it a Fender or a Precision bass doesn't sit well with me personally.

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Marikk said:
?... I do think a person has to disclose all known details when selling, But to not be able to call it a Fender or a Precision bass doesn't sit well with me personally.

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And there's the rub.
Very rarely does anyone actually headline the sale of a parts bass as "Parts Bass". It's almost always listed as a "Fender bass" then maybe if you're lucky there's mention of a replaced neck in the body of the auction. It's clearly still a Precision bass since that's a generic term and if it said just that in the title I'd be ok with it. Save all the Fender replacement part stuff for the description of the item being auctioned.

Bottom line - It's no longer a(n) authentic or original Fender bass. To call it that is misleading, but calling it a Precision bass would still be accurate since that's a generic term. In my book there's a big difference in value between a Precision bass made of Fender parts and a Fender Precision bass. Think about it - if you have assembled a 1965 Fender P bass body, with a 1968 Fender P bass neck and 1972 Fender P bass pickups and hardware you don't have a vintage Fender P bass and you therefore shouldn't call it that (unless you're a poser or your goal is to mislead others into believing you have something you don't). However, you could certainly call it a P bass made from vintage Fender parts. Big, big difference in value and desirability there.
 
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GBassNorth said:
And there's the rub.
Very rarely does anyone actually headline the sale of a parts bass as "Parts Bass". It's almost always listed as a "Fender bass" then maybe if you're lucky there's mention of a replaced neck in the body of the auction. It's clearly still a Precision bass since that's a generic term and if it said just that in the title I'd be ok with it. Save all the Fender replacement part stuff for the description of the item being auctioned.

Bottom line - It's no longer a(n) authentic or original Fender bass. To call it that is misleading, but calling it a Precision bass would still be accurate since that's a generic term. In my book there's a big difference in value between a Precision bass made of Fender parts and a Fender Precision bass. Think about it - if you have assembled a 1965 Fender P bass body, with a 1968 Fender P bass neck and 1972 Fender P bass pickups and hardware you don't have a vintage Fender P bass and you therefore shouldn't call it that (unless you're a poser or your goal is to mislead others into believing you have something you don't). However, you could certainly call it a P bass made from vintage Fender parts. Big, big difference in value and desirability there.
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Thread should end with your post! :thumbsup:
 
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billiam5billion said:
Okay, but when someone asks me, they usually have no clue what a Warmoth is. It's easier to say Fender because most people know what a Fender is. If you're taking people to task for that, you have too much time on your hands. I can call my bass a purple people eater if I want to, and it won't make a lick of difference, UNTIL I TRY TO SELL IT.
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If you've put so much time into justifying calling your warmoth a Fender, then Id suggest you reevaluate who has "too much time on your hands". ;)
 
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billiam5billion said:
Okay, but when someone asks me, they usually have no clue what a Warmoth is. It's easier to say Fender because most people know what a Fender is. If you're taking people to task for that, you have too much time on your hands. I can call my bass a purple people eater if I want to, and it won't make a lick of difference, UNTIL I TRY TO SELL IT.
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I'll guess you also found the time to put Fender decals on your Warmoth basses???
 
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guy n. cognito said:
I'll guess you also found the time to put Fender decals on your Warmoth basses???
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Nah, one neck is from a genuine Fender so it's already there. The other one is a licensed neck so it's blank. That's what I'm saying-I'm not trying to pass them off as Fenders, but I call them Fenders because they have all the specs, looks, and a good chunk of the parts from a Fender. I'm a Fender guy, I like the designs and classic styling and pickup setups, but I like to have unique things, so I made my own Fender. I'm not going to sell them as Fenders (probably won't ever sell them) and if someone digs deeper and asks about what models they are, I say Warmoth. HOWEVER, whenever I get to talking to a new person about my gear, I usually say I play a Fender Jazz and a Fender P.
 
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billiam5billion said:
Nah, one neck is from a genuine Fender so it's already there. The other one is a licensed neck so it's blank. That's what I'm saying-I'm not trying to pass them off as Fenders, but I call them Fenders because they have all the specs, looks, and a good chunk of the parts from a Fender. I'm a Fender guy, I like the designs and classic styling and pickup setups, but I like to have unique things, so I made my own Fender. I'm not going to sell them as Fenders (probably won't ever sell them) and if someone digs deeper and asks about what models they are, I say Warmoth. HOWEVER, whenever I get to talking to a new person about my gear, I usually say I play a Fender Jazz and a Fender P.
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guy n. cognito said:
That sentence is self contradicting...
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billiam5billion said:
Not really, when I say "pass off" I mean in situations where it matters. In casual conversations, I say Fender so that people can infer their looks and setups. In trade/sell situations, I tell people they are Warmoth parts basses.
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billiam5billion said:
Not really, when I say "pass off" I mean in situations where it matters. In casual conversations, I say Fender so that people can infer their looks and setups. In trade/sell situations, I tell people they are Warmoth parts basses.
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So why not be honest and to the point in your casual conversations and just say it's a P bass or a Jazz bass. You can always use the "this part's Fender and this part's not" as a follow up if they want more info. Of course if your goal is to mislead or impress somebody with something you don't really have, then by all means call it a Fender.

I get the casual discussion bit and have frequently fallen back on that argument when it comes to quoting statics and other facts. And I've been called on it and had to backtrack, unfortunately losing a bit of credibility in the process. Imagine standing in the Fender shop with your bass (with no intent to sell it) and someone asks what ya got there? I'd imagine a few eyebrows would raise if you said "a Fender Jazz bass".

Just be honest, you have a Jazz bass and it might very well be even better than any Fender Jazz you've played, be proud of what you have and let folks know it's special to you! If they think a Fender jazz is a better playing and sounding bass than yours, then let them put up or shut up.
 
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For the record and in full disclosure here's a pic of my Warmoth build and my modded Fender American Deluxe Jazz bass.
I'd never in a million years call my Warmoth build a Fender - it's much much better than that. In fact I had to mod my Fender Jazz with Bart pups and a John East preamp just to get it in the same ballpark as the Warmoth build. Both are keepers and cost about the same to buy/build/mod but the Warmoth is just so much more bass for the money.
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guy n. cognito said:
But when they build them, they warranty both parts and construction. Their basses are built by professionals, where a parts bass is built by ????
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So, I am being redundant, but if you take a factory built Fender, remove the basic parts for adjustment and/or cleaning, reassemble the parts, and redo the wiring then you must call it now a parts bass? Because screws into pre-drilled holes is so complex?

Point being is that a factory and a parts bass can exist with the exact same condition of who did what to it. Everything that was done at the factory to turn parts into a bass can be undone and redone by the customer without changing fundamentally what it is. And if the customer can do all of those steps on a factory bass, then what is the difference?

Probably the two most significant things you can do to a Fender bass beyond the production of the individual parts is to file the nut and adjust the truss. Screw either of those up and you have a mess to deal with. And those are both perfectly valid things for an owner to do to the factory bass without relabling it a parts bass.

There is way too much mythology about being a factory Fender.
 
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Nope. I have two Fender basses. They are both based on original Fender parts but are heavily modded. They are both giant advertisements for Fender whenever I play out. I will continue to call them Fenders to those who don't flippin' matter, whether you like it or not. I'm a Fender guy, and I've spent my money on and will continue to sing the praises of Fender parts. Because that's what Fender is-a parts bin from which I can pick and choose my favorite components. That's the whole point of the bolt-on neck. If you don't like it, I don't much give a hoot.
 
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