My friends a idiot

[guy n. cognito]

So, I am being redundant, but if you take a factory built Fender, remove the basic parts for adjustment and/or cleaning, reassemble the parts, and redo the wiring then you must call it now a parts bass? Because screws into pre-drilled holes is so complex?

Point being is that a factory and a parts bass can exist with the exact same condition of who did what to it. Everything that was done at the factory to turn parts into a bass can be undone and redone by the customer without changing fundamentally what it is. And if the customer can do all of those steps on a factory bass, then what is the difference?

Probably the two most significant things you can do to a Fender bass beyond the production of the individual parts is to file the nut and adjust the truss. Screw either of those up and you have a mess to deal with. And those are both perfectly valid things for an owner to do to the factory bass without relabling it a parts bass.

There is way too much mythology about being a factory Fender.

You're completely misunderstanding the practical and legal point I'm making.

 

[GBassNorth]

You're completely misunderstanding the practical and legal point I'm making.

Not only that - digi is throwing a straw man into the mix. Let's bring the discussion back to the OPs situation and modify the argument from this straw man...
"...if you take a factory built Fender, remove the basic parts for adjustment and/or cleaning, reassemble the parts, and redo the wiring then you must call it now a parts bass?"

Back to the OPs actual situation...
"...if you take a factory built Fender body, then buy a Fender neck to put on it, and Fender tuners for the neck and some odds and ends of Fender hardware and pickups from various Fender basses and assemble it all, then you must call it a parts bass?"

My answer is you have a Jazz (or P bass) made from fender parts. Nothing wrong with that other than you might have paid a premium for those parts vs non OEM parts. To me "parts bass" implies non OEM, after market, third party parts. Likewise calling it a "Fender Jazz bass" implies it's largely if not completely stock as delivered from the factory which certainly isn't true either.

Bottom line, you have a Jazz (or P bass). If you want to put the Fender name in that line then you'll need to add qualifiers such as "made from various Fender basses" or "Fender parts bass" or "Fender mutt".

 

[Flaked Beans]

 

[One Drop]

And there's the rub.
Very rarely does anyone actually headline the sale of a parts bass as "Parts Bass". It's almost always listed as a "Fender bass" then maybe if you're lucky there's mention of a replaced neck in the body of the auction. It's clearly still a Precision bass since that's a generic term and if it said just that in the title I'd be ok with it. Save all the Fender replacement part stuff for the description of the item being auctioned.

Bottom line - It's no longer a(n) authentic or original Fender bass. To call it that is misleading, but calling it a Precision bass would still be accurate since that's a generic term. In my book there's a big difference in value between a Precision bass made of Fender parts and a Fender Precision bass. Think about it - if you have assembled a 1965 Fender P bass body, with a 1968 Fender P bass neck and 1972 Fender P bass pickups and hardware you don't have a vintage Fender P bass and you therefore shouldn't call it that (unless you're a poser or your goal is to mislead others into believing you have something you don't). However, you could certainly call it a P bass made from vintage Fender parts. Big, big difference in value and desirability there.

This is incorrect. The generic terms are P and J, the trademarked names that only authentic Fenders are legally called are Jazz and Precision.

 

[Deleted member 264575]

It's kind of hilarious how the OP never bothered correcting the grammar in the thread title.

I thought that, too. I figured if the OP corrected the title, people coming back to this thread a year from now would wonder what all the fuss was about. So it stands.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Unless someone is searching the term "idiot", they won't be looking at this thread in a year.


One of my pet peeves is how people don't think when they title threads.
NBD!!
(Yeah, well what brand & model of bass is it?)

 

[Deleted member 264575]

Unless someone is searching the term "idiot", they won't be looking at this thread in a year.


One of my pet peeves is how people don't think when they title threads.
NBD!!
(Yeah, well what brand & model of bass is it?)

Is it ignorance, or apathy? Oh well, I don't really know and I can't say that I care!

 

[Watchootognbout]

Anyone can make a plastic throwing disc.
But you can't legally call it a Frisbee.
Although many do.

 

[JMacBass65]

Is it ignorance, or apathy? Oh well, I don't really know and I can't say that I care!

So in other words, you couldn't care less?

 

[JMacBass65]

Anyone can make a plastic throwing disc.
But you can't legally call it a Frisbee.
Although many do.

Well actually, I can legally call it a Frisbee all I want. I cannot manufacture and market a flying disc and call it a frisbee though.

 

[thunderstation]

i have a p bass made completely from genuine fender parts. My friend told me that it is not a real p bass because it wasn't built from the factory. Even though all the parts were. Anyone else think parts fenders and frankenfenders are not legit fenders even though all the parts were made by fender smh

someone notify eric clapton that "Blackie" isn't real.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

I doubt EC cares. He's been playing mutts for a long long time now.
Andy Summers sold him the guitar he did Cream tracks on.

 

[One Drop]

someone notify eric clapton that "Blackie" isn't real.

It's real, but it's also a parts bass.

I doubt he would really care if you told him it was or wasn't a Fender.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

EC with a Fender bass, but it's not Blackie:

This might be the Gibson Andy Summers sold him, can't remember:

 

[One Drop]

EC with a Fender bass, but it's not Blackie:

Does he not play Fender Custom Shop versions of Blackie now?

 

[Killed_by_Death]

For a guy who plays guitar, I know very little about EC.

 

[DigitalMan]

You're completely misunderstanding the practical and legal point I'm making.

I don't think I am. I think we both want to frame the conversation differently.

 

[Flaked Beans]

Well actually, I can legally call it a Frisbee all I want. I cannot manufacture and market a flying disc and call it a frisbee though.

Indeed. What is the best Frisbee for metal?

maybe this one?:

 

[DigitalMan]

Not only that - digi is throwing a straw man into the mix. Let's bring the discussion back to the OPs situation and modify the argument from this straw man...
"...if you take a factory built Fender, remove the basic parts for adjustment and/or cleaning, reassemble the parts, and redo the wiring then you must call it now a parts bass?"

Back to the OPs actual situation...
"...if you take a factory built Fender body, then buy a Fender neck to put on it, and Fender tuners for the neck and some odds and ends of Fender hardware and pickups from various Fender basses and assemble it all, then you must call it a parts bass?"

My answer is you have a Jazz (or P bass) made from fender parts. Nothing wrong with that other than you might have paid a premium for those parts vs non OEM parts. To me "parts bass" implies non OEM, after market, third party parts. Likewise calling it a "Fender Jazz bass" implies it's largely if not completely stock as delivered from the factory which certainly isn't true either.

Bottom line, you have a Jazz (or P bass). If you want to put the Fender name in that line then you'll need to add qualifiers such as "made from various Fender basses" or "Fender parts bass" or "Fender mutt".

Its good form to use @ to let someone know they're bring mentioned in a post.

 

[madjazzbass]

I figure this is a good place to mention that my newly finished (transparent green) Warmoth P/J build is absolutely FANTASTIC! it has a Fender high mass bridge, Schaller tuners, EMG GZR pups (P/J set), maple neck w/ blocks and binding, a tortoiseshell pickguard and Ernie Ball Hybrid Slinky strings (45-105) and it's the absolute BEST sounding Bass that I own (out of 9), Hands Down! The P pup soloed is the Best Precision Bass tone that I (personally) ever had on a Bass that I own, Deep Punchy and tight P Bass goodness, and the J pup is "all that" as well (IMHO), especially with the tone rolled all the way off, UMPH!! nice warm growl indeed; not only that, but they sound amazing when both pups are wide open as well, and when blending just a little of one or the other, put it this way, there are NO bad tone settings on this "Amazing Bass" ... for a minute, I thought about placing a Fender waterslide logo on the headstock, then I'm like SCREW THAT, the only thing Fender on this Bass is the HM bridge, I'm gonna create my own waterslide logo and put THAT on the headstock cause, "WHO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER HUH?!, ME! DAS WHO!!" I love Fender, but they don't make/sell anything as cool as this Bass (pictures to come). price for everything altogether about $900/$950 and well worth it; I WILL be building another Warmoth Bass (Jazz) sometime in the future.