Sorry, I skipped pages 2 through 5. Are we still focusing on spelling and punctuation? 
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My friends a idiot
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No. We have progressed to the finer art of syntax.Sorry, I skipped pages 2 through 5. Are we still focusing on spelling and punctuation?
It's a Fender parts bass. If someone put together a bass, even using all genuine Fender parts, I'd want to know if I was buying it. It doesn't mean it is any better or worse than an actual Fender assembled at the factory, but if you think there isn't a difference, you are kidding yourself.
Frankly I don't know what the hell you mean by 'legit' Fender or why you are arguing about it with him. It's not a FACTORY Fender, but it is a P Bass.
Frankly I don't know what the hell you mean by 'legit' Fender or why you are arguing about it with him. It's not a FACTORY Fender, but it is a P Bass.
You don't know that "friends" is incorrect until you get to "a idiot."
A heart-felt "thank you" to you. I put your P necks on my Jazz basses!
P-Bass has become such a generic term it's like Kleenex. Your local drugstore tissues are not Kleenex! But don't blow your brains out worrying about it. Don't even think of selling me your lowly drugstore tissues calling them Kleenex! I use only period correct, vintage, factory assembled Kleenex. No reliced Kleenex will be tolerated.
As always honesty is the best policy.
As always honesty is the best policy.
Imperfect grammar is a great way to start a thread about another person's idiocy.
"My friend is an idiot" or "My friend's an idiot" would have been better grammatically, but still incorrect.
Your Fender bass might be all Fender parts, and you might even get away with selling it as a Fender bass, but the truth is it's a parts bass.
Recently I picked up an Ibanez guitar & couldn't figure out which model it was. When I took the neck off it was clear that it was a parts guitar.
Sure the neck & body were both genuine Ibanez parts, but the whole of instrument was a mutt, a parts build.
At first I thought I would just play it anyway & forget about that fact, but I found another Ibanez I liked better & returned the first one, even though it was Made in Japan.
If the parts are all Fender parts, that would make it a Fender P bass as well. Those original Fender parts were once part of a complete bass that came from a Fender factory. I would argue that if the parts were originally manufactured in a Fender factory, the bass made from those parts make it a Fender bass, but not an original factory built instrument.
The same would apply if parts were purchased from the Fender website and assembled by a hobbyist.
I also agree that this bass shouldn't be pawned off as an original because it is not an original.
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Fender didn't build my Squier CV ’50s PBass, but it says Precision on the headstock and it's approved by Fender. Therefore it's a Precision that wasn't made by Fender.
The universe will now begin to implode.
That's one way to look at it.
But I come from a manufacturing background where the party that assigns the official serial number is the maker. And the application of that original serial number - traditionally at the time the article rolls off the finish line and clears final inspection and test - is what establishes "original" manufacture.
If a company refurbishes a returned device, or assembles one out of several rejected units, it usually can't be sold as "new" (i.e. original manufacture). Many warranty replacements are such devices. Which is why a lot of replacement warranties make it a point to say if you return a defective item it will be replaced with a "substantially similar" unit. Some (the more honest ones) even say it will be replaced with a refurbished unit. So I take the same perspective.
But again, it's only one way to look at it.
If you sold a Frankenbass Fender, and called it a "Fender," you wouldn't be entirely wrong. But if you had a parts assembled Fender (even if it were all original Fender parts of the correct vintage) and said something like "original 1973 Jazz Bass" you'd be crossing the line. At least in my book.
Interestingly, some so-called "vintage" basses are exactly that - except the person putting one together made sure to use all period correct parts and paid attention to dates and serial number sequences (possibly deliberately damaging or adding a little "mojo" to some revealing detail) with hopes it would pass muster in most places.
It happens. But since originality of manufacture means zip to me (I'm all about the tone and feel of the bass - I don't care who made it or what year it is) I don't sweat it either way. If I like it, want it, and can afford it - I buy it.
But that's me. YMMV.
Is this really something worth arguing about?! If it plays and sounds the way you like, then it doesn't matter if it's a Fender or if it's a parts P-bass made from all Fender factory parts. The only time it would matter is if and when you try to sell it. Then you should make sure the buyer knows exactly what he's getting.
But, until you're disclosing it's heritage to a potential buyer, ask your friend why such an inconsequential issue is so important to him and just play the d@mn thing!
Exactly. It's not like he's playing it, or it's his bass. So why the pissing match on his part. To my earlier point, why should we care - unless we're hung up on owning a piece of history with provenance attached.
I agree with everything you said, especially that last paragraph.That's one way to look at it.
But I come from a manufacturing background where the party that assigns the official serial number is the maker. And the application of that original serial number - traditionally at the time the article rolls off the finish line and clears final inspection and test - is what establishes "original" manufacture.
If a company refurbishes a returned device, or assembles one out of several rejected units, it usually can't be sold as "new" (i.e. original manufacture). Many warranty replacements are such devices. Which is why a lot of replacement warranties make it a point to say if you return a defective item it will be replaced with a "substantially similar" unit. Some (the more honest ones) even say it will be replaced with a refurbished unit. So I take the same perspective.
But again, it's only one way to look at it.
If you sold a Frankenbass Fender, and called it a "Fender," you wouldn't be entirely wrong. But if you had a parts assembled Fender (even if it were all original Fender parts of the correct vintage) and said something like "original 1973 Jazz Bass" you'd be crossing the line. At least in my book.
Interestingly, some so-called "vintage" basses are exactly that - except the person putting one together made sure to use all period correct parts and paid attention to dates and serial number sequences (possibly deliberately damaging or adding a little "mojo" to some revealing detail) with hopes it would pass muster in most places.
It happens. But since originality of manufacture means zip to me (I'm all about the tone and feel of the bass - I don't care who made it or what year it is) I don't sweat it either way. If I like it, want it, and can afford it - I buy it.
But that's me. YMMV.
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