My guitar Player is Drowning Me

[joebar]

this is ********.
40 watts would be a lot of juice for a guitarist; especially one that is running distorted most of the time. running clean, more watts maybe.
4 10's are for arenas with no FOH.
if you have to explain, they probably wont understand.

 

[interp]

The guitar player bought the new amp with the express intention of dominating the band volume-wise.

My advice: Keep the amp you have. Turn it DOWN to accentuate the volume disbalance between the bass and guitar. If the guitar player or other band members do not get the message, they will never get the message and you may as well leave the band.

 

[Mr_Martin]

See my Post:

Volume Wars – EQ in the rehearsal room | TalkBass.com

 

[456Spectwick]

Turn the volume up and the bass down. What I've learned is that you can either be 'felt' or heard. With the bass up, you will be 'felt', with it down and volume up, you will be heard maybe even by yourself. I could be wrong. What do I know, I'm just some text on a screen

 

[ToadWarrior]

As others have mentioned the 6 string will win the volume war 99.9% of the time.

In my experience, either the guitar player doesn't give a crap about hearing you or anyone but himself, and he should be ejected from your band. Or you haven't actually mentioned it to him and are planning to compete or don't care enough about the sound of your band in which case you should just turn your volume off and mime along cause no ones gonna hear you.

This isn't a problem that can be solved by buying poopie, talk to your guitarist and it can be solved with bass knob on his eq. The guitar shouldn't be eating your frequency range, ever.

 

[Mr_Martin]

I gave up discussing with my two guitarists.
I bought a second 212 cab and some earplugs, now they are happy

 

[vbchaos]

Rehearsing at high volumes is stupid! Rehearse at medium volume. You will hear much of of the bad timing and wrong notes you play.

Volume wise: Get a 1515/66.

 

[dairyman3833]

QUOTE="mcrawfordmusic, post: 16996004, member: 181361"]Four things that will help you here.

- buy an efficient 4ohm cabinet. The more speakers the better. Your PF350 should be plenty of watts.

- lift the cab off the ground, or point it towards your ears. You won't hear it if its pointing at your knees.

- have a polite word to your guitarist and ask him to watch his volume or use an amp attenuator.

- boost your midrange and cut your lows a bit. This will help you cut trough in the mix.

Search the forum if you don't understand any of what I just said, that's how I learnt!

Hope it works out for you.
MC[/QUOTE]

The 4 points that McCrawford said are absolute. Gotta turn up your mids, but to be honest with your current rig it's not gonna bake much of a difference. It's not so much about power, it's more about quality. And to put it mildly the quality of your rig is not good. Playing through that Peavy is half your problem as that speaker sucks out your low mids and kind muddies it all up, and your low mids are the meat and potatoes of bass.

Save up your cash every day your can and maybe use American Musical or ZZounds pay as you play and get something like this....

Accugroove El Whappo 2014 Black | Reverb
Orange OB1-500 500-Watt Single Channel Solid State Bass Head | Sweetwater.com
Plenty of power here.
Or go cheaper.
Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 - 500-Watt Super Light Head | Sweetwater.com
Aguilar DB 751 750-Watt Hybrid Bass Head | Sweetwater.com
But these are better....
Mesa/Boogie Bass Strategy Eight:88 465-Watt Bass Head - Non-Rack Mount | Sweetwater.com
Mesa/Boogie PowerHouse 1000 Cabinet - 1x15" + 4x10" 4 Ohm | Sweetwater.com
Aguilar DB 410 - 4 x 10" 700W Bass Cabinet - Classic Black 4-ohm | Sweetwater.com


Stay away from GK they suck.
Go with this for the best tone possible ....
Ampeg PN-410HLF 4x10" 850-Watt Neodymium Bass Cabinet with Horn | Sweetwater.com

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[Mr_Martin]

QUOTE="mcrawfordmusic, post: 16996004, member: 181361"]#
Stay away from GK they suck.
Go with this for the best tone possible ....

GK sucks?
Bulls...

 

[Woodsbass]

*Tosses Altarsofmadness a life preserver*

Sorry guys, I had to!

As for the topic at hand, turn your amp OFF. The guitarist will see that it is off and stop to question why, at which point you can tell him that noone could hear you anyway. 4x10 with a big Sunn head is WAY overkill for anything but the biggest gigs, and he needs to respect the other members enough to let them be heard.

 

[MegaSwing]

If it becomes a competition for the most decibels, you have given up sounding like a band. You just become some individuals with loud amps. It's a sad thing, really, because it demonstrates almost no artistic vision, just vanity.

 

[AdamR]

GK 700RB, GK Neo 412. Buy them used for under $1000

 

[Hopkins]

Stay away from GK they suck.
Go with this for the best tone possible ....

And with two lines, your whole post looses all credibility.

 

[bassmeknik]

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Well this didn't help either... With all due respect sir this is a bad idea. He will get more volume out of a pair of identical 410's over a 115+410 rig.

 

[mbelue]

The 4 points that McCrawford said are absolute. Gotta turn up your mids, but to be honest with your current rig it's not gonna bake much of a difference. It's not so much about power, it's more about quality. And to put it mildly the quality of your rig is not good. Playing through that Peavy is half your problem as that speaker sucks out your low mids and kind muddies it all up, and your low mids are the meat and potatoes of bass.

Save up your cash every day your can and maybe use American Musical or ZZounds pay as you play and get something like this....

Accugroove El Whappo 2014 Black | Reverb
Orange OB1-500 500-Watt Single Channel Solid State Bass Head | Sweetwater.com
Plenty of power here.
Or go cheaper.
Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 - 500-Watt Super Light Head | Sweetwater.com
Aguilar DB 751 750-Watt Hybrid Bass Head | Sweetwater.com
But these are better....
Mesa/Boogie Bass Strategy Eight:88 465-Watt Bass Head - Non-Rack Mount | Sweetwater.com
Mesa/Boogie PowerHouse 1000 Cabinet - 1x15" + 4x10" 4 Ohm | Sweetwater.com
Aguilar DB 410 - 4 x 10" 700W Bass Cabinet - Classic Black 4-ohm | Sweetwater.com


Stay away from GK they suck.
Go with this for the best tone possible ....
Ampeg PN-410HLF 4x10" 850-Watt Neodymium Bass Cabinet with Horn | Sweetwater.com

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It's good you've got an opinion, we're all entitled to one, but that's all this is.

I detect zero subjective advice here. Lots of brand slagging and useless conjecture.

The "Peavey" isn't the problem. The quantity of "peavey" is.

 

[buldog5151bass]

Do you guys think that a GK 410GLX and a polite chat with my guitard will suffice?

His new amp is a symptom, not the problem. Have a talk on volume and decide. I use a 2x10, and it never goes above 2 on the head. IMO if you can't hear the other person talking loud while playing (without the pa), it's too loud. YMMV.

 

[AdamR]

His new amp is a symptom, not the problem. Have a talk on volume and decide. I use a 2x10, and it never goes above 2 on the head. IMO if you can't hear the other person talking loud while playing (without the pa), it's too loud. YMMV.

That all depends on the drummer. How loud does he play (a metal drummer is going to have to play way louder then a jazz drummer) You need to match the drummers volume.

 

[Winfred]

If it becomes a competition for the most decibels, you have given up sounding like a band. You just become some individuals with loud amps. It's a sad thing, really, because it demonstrates almost no artistic vision, just vanity.

This is it. A perfect summation of a lot of bands. Well said.

 

[SteveHeissner]

The answer is not new gear for you. If he can't manage his volume you're wasting your time playing with an idiot.

 

[aggrokragg]

Lived through this exact scenario. Learn from my mistakes. Don't waste your hard earned $$$ buying unnecessary new gear because your guitar player can't find the volume knob on his new rig. Also, beware the "but I can't get my TONE, dude!" excuse that will arrive shortly when he is asked to lower the output on his new toy.