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NAD: Quilter Bass Block 800

Pat Quilter is probably a genius, but sometimes genius doesn't network in a thorough way with the right people.
The DI setup & no speakons on their cabs kind of indicate this may be the case here.
Hopefully, based on feedback, they'll get both updated in short order.

To be fair, I believe the recent Darkglass 900 amp also has the same DI output level situation. Perhaps this is a common synapse between geniuses? :D
 
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Guess there's something wrong with me, have been using 1/4" speaker out and in for 50 years but have not blown or fried an amp (yes some big ones too) or cab, not even a little ol fire.

Please do not feel badly, @RonEW !

When I was a child, my Dad would chain smoke in the car while driving me around in the back seat, in which I was not wearing a seat beat. Thankfully I survived, but now society knows better.

It is fact that pulling 1/4" plugs can cause a temporary short circuit, a circuit which now supplies a dangerous 800-watt payload. Sure, it is quite possible nothing will happen, but why even take a chance with what we know now? Safety aside, 1/4" plugs pull-out with great ease where as Speakon connectors securely lock in place during one's performance. The cost to migrate away from legacy 1/4" technology originating from the Telephone Company is mostly negligible.

Do not sweat potentially losing 1/4" support, but at minimum consider the reasons behind the movement in the industry and what we gain from it. ;)

Cheers!
 
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Creating a short in an electrical circuit will quite likely cause a problem, its a fact. So don't create a short. If you pull a plug when hot you probably won't do it again. When I was a child my father taught me to think about actions and consequences. I don't sweat support one way or the other, I am just fed up with lawyers, politicians, do-gooders and other parasites telling me what is good for me, what to do, how to do it, and when, all for the "greater good of society" which means using .gov to enforce your will on others.
 
Based on Quilter's new amps, I believe they may be listening!

Gone are the Home Depot inspired graphics and notice the placement of the 1/4" I/O jacks. Additionally, notice that the headphone out has been upgraded to the more sturdy and reliable 1/4" TRS connector. :thumbsup:

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The BB800 is a nice concept for small gigs, although at that level, 500W should be sufficient.

The issues I'm having with it is:
1- no high frequency control. Markbass VLE is very good at that. And it really doesn't cost much at all to get a good hpf working.
4uF cap in parallel on the preamp input signal, via a volume pot in series with the cap costs a dollar to implement, or so, but gives decent hf tone control.
I personally prefer a cap for tone control, than a 3 band EQ, that dials out the highs evenly, as a cap functions more like a variable frequency rolloff, than what many modern basses use as a volume control on the highs.
A cap sounds much warmer.

The BB depends on your bass' eq or preamp, or tone pedal.

2- the second major issue with this type of bass amp, is that it assumes perfect audible settings.
Live playing rarely is a perfect setting.
You're standing less than a foot off of a wall, with your amp on the floor, the stage is tight, is going to reflect a whole lot of 300-400Hz right in your face!
Move the cab 3 ft off the wall, perhaps a foot off the floor, and now it sounds more boomy.
For those reasons, Behringer used to implement a semi parametric notch filter.
Dial in the offending frequency you hear, and dial in how much you want it gone, or boosted.

The BB is not a PA power amp. It has tone control, and is aimed towards the bassist for live play. Therefore it should have all the control the bassist needs, not to sound like a sore on stage.
All I can see is low and mid control.
And while one can boost low and mid, to have less highs, it's impractical, and dialing out the highs completely is not possible.
Eg: taking care of unwanted hiss, or just wanting to sound vintage.
If I play through this with a piezo bass, it will sound like crap, unless the piezo bass has a tone control.

So it's severely limited in functions that a live bassist NEEDS!

Piezo basses are also more and more hitting sales floors. Piezo pickups need audio signal correction, much like an LP needs. A small button saying 'piezo' on the amp, could drive a circuitry that could deal better with the different Dynamics and tonal outputs of a piezo pickup, and would be some interesting innovation, to see implemented on a bass amp.

Piezo pickups are cheap, thus found on cheap basses, often lacking tonal control.
A lot of electric uprights and stick basses have a piezo pickup. Some Yamaha basses came with a humbucker and a piezo pickup.

As far as DI out on the back, I would agree that it should send a preamp signal out, not post.

I like the minimalistic idea, yet minimalistic also often means limiting. Especially when you know their amp will be used mostly with cabs of another brand (since their cabs are unusually expensive, and from the specs are really not that good at projecting sound below 50Hz or so), in setting that are less than perfect.

If you like a more tube sound, give Huges and kettler a try. Their bass amps sound glassy, clear, and tubey!
 
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The BB800 is a nice concept for small gigs, although at that level, 500W should be sufficient.

The issues I'm having with it is:
1- no high frequency control. Markbass VLE is very good at that. And it really doesn't cost much at all to get a good hpf working.
4uF cap in parallel on the preamp input signal, via a volume pot in series with the cap costs a dollar to implement, or so, but gives decent hf tone control.
I personally prefer a cap for tone control, than a 3 band EQ, that dials out the highs evenly, as a cap functions more like a variable frequency rolloff, than what many modern basses use as a volume control on the highs.
A cap sounds much warmer.

The BB depends on your bass' eq or preamp, or tone pedal.

2- the second major issue with this type of bass amp, is that it assumes perfect audible settings.
Live playing rarely is a perfect setting.
You're standing less than a foot off of a wall, with your amp on the floor, the stage is tight, is going to reflect a whole lot of 300-400Hz right in your face!
Move the cab 3 ft off the wall, perhaps a foot off the floor, and now it sounds more boomy.
For those reasons, Behringer used to implement a semi parametric notch filter.
Dial in the offending frequency you hear, and dial in how much you want it gone, or boosted.

The BB is not a PA power amp. It has tone control, and is aimed towards the bassist for live play. Therefore it should have all the control the bassist needs, not to sound like a sore on stage.
All I can see is low and mid control.
And while one can boost low and mid, to have less highs, it's impractical, and dialing out the highs completely is not possible.
Eg: taking care of unwanted hiss, or just wanting to sound vintage.
If I play through this with a piezo bass, it will sound like crap, unless the piezo bass has a tone control.

So it's severely limited in functions that a live bassist NEEDS!

Piezo basses are also more and more hitting sales floors. Piezo pickups need audio signal correction, much like an LP needs. A small button saying 'piezo' on the amp, could drive a circuitry that could deal better with the different Dynamics and tonal outputs of a piezo pickup, and would be some interesting innovation, to see implemented on a bass amp.

Piezo pickups are cheap, thus found on cheap basses, often lacking tonal control.
A lot of electric uprights and stick basses have a piezo pickup. Some Yamaha basses came with a humbucker and a piezo pickup.

As far as DI out on the back, I would agree that it should send a preamp signal out, not post.

I like the minimalistic idea, yet minimalistic also often means limiting. Especially when you know their amp will be used mostly with cabs of another brand (since their cabs are unusually expensive, and from the specs are really not that good at projecting sound below 50Hz or so), in setting that are less than perfect.

If you like a more tube sound, give Huges and kettler a try. Their bass amps sound glassy, clear, and tubey!
It may be the cabs I use (usually FRFR) but I recognise none of these issues with the Quilter. I have Piezo NS Design EUB with piezos that sounds great through the BB800 and I find the high shelving perfect for rolling off the highs to my taste with this and passive bass guitar. I have no problems getting a vintage tubey tone through the Quilter.
I've used Markbass amps for years and I've found the BB800's tone controls to be like a more versatile take on Markbass's VPF and VLE controls. Dialling the contour control to the right is a LPF set at around 200hz and as such rolls off more highs than the VLE.
I've always taken an alternative pre to gigs in case I had a specific problem with the room that the Quilter can't handle but I've never needed to use one despite some difficult venues.

Edit: Have you actually tried one or are your gripes of the more theoretical variety?
 
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I have to add that I don't recognize those limitations either. It may be that I'm not as apt to dissect the output and "internals" (D.I. etc) of the Quilter; rather my obvious bias toward the rig is the one thing that's paramount to me; The SOUND!
Plain & simple.
It is the stiffest (luv that word:cool:) most transparent, strongest, and most true tone I've ever felt from an amp.

As to piezos I can only feedback that I have a Custom Made BEE Bass: (gratuitious pic:roflmao:)

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(Interesting, no?)

With a piezo graphtech bridge, including a volume pot, and guess what I'm going to say?

No problems whatsoever, true reproduction, as clean and present as the mag pup by itself.

No piece of gear is perfect; there have been a number of suggestions for Version 2 of the Quilter, and frankly I'm amazed at the number of pre-amp set-ups, pedals and such that I've read about being employed by BB owners.
I've used a Boss GEB -7 and a Nathan East Parametric EQ in, just because they are in my Bass Room. They both got un-plugged real quick, because I wanted to default to the BB's straight signal.
And that is one of the things that I most like about the amp- Plug/Play.
Active/Passive- the right tone for me is there.
 
Could you guys post pics of your common settings.
I have a BB on loan for a few days and struggled to get the tones I wanted on the gig Sunday.
One person said 12 o'clock settings work. Not for me, I've been doing some serious knob turning.
Also gain at 12-1 plus master wide open is the only setting as far as power goes to get punch, heft etc. that I'm used too. I play blues, jazz, funk, Rock R&B etc. with Tobias, Minnieweather and active Fenders. Fairly loud usually.
 
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I think settings are gonna differ for a lot of reasons: (bass, tone objectives, etc.)
Mine have remained constant since shortly after I rec'd the BB;
Gain around 6
Depth: 3 O'clock
Contour: 9 O'Clock
Master: Starting around 40, after that, then it gets LOUD!

Fine-tuning is done with the pre-amp if using an Active bass. I have some dillies, including a Bass w/ an EAST pre which is fearsome, and an instrument with a proprietary 2-band pre coupled to a... Delano MM, which is HOT HOT HOT!. Really, it is a HOT pup!:roflmao: Hot.

At the other end of the spectrum, a plain-jane '69 P-Bass which I always play dimed, and a REAL interesting P/J axe, with Seymour Duncan P/J's and only a Volume and Balance control with which to fiddle with, which in its case is enough!

DOH! I started talking about my basses again!:roflmao:
(sorry!)

EDIT/PS:

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Crappy cell-phone; yes- I spend my $$ on gear!:smug:
 
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This post is proof-positive that Quilter listens to their customers!

Nearly every nitpick and suggestion throughout this 3-year old thread was addressed in the new Bass Block 802.

Thanks and congratulations, Team Quilter! @peteratquilter

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If the idea was to get away from the ingenious tone controls, lose the XLR out... guess I missed that. This looks like a bass version of one of their guitar amps, minus some bass specific features.
 
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