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NAD! SVT7 Pro (also comparing it to my Streamliner 900)

#821
Thijs, I hear you, bro. What you're saying makes a lot of sense, especially when it comes to your volume against the rest of the band. Our stage volume is such that I can use a 25w B-15 and have headroom. But the Micro VR and PF350 do sound identical. I've AB'd them in different cabs and headphones and they match up identically IMHO except for volume and headroom. Micro VR looks cooler, though ;)

Bull, I love the VT pedal. It's the most popular pedal on TB and I totally see why. But personally speaking, I think the 7 Pro sounds a good bit better. Less compressed and a bit more tubey sounding, plus the 7 Pro's EQ is easier to figure out, although the more complex VT does have a buttload of range.
 
#822
JimmyM said:
Gotta tell you, I went back to tube amps for the most part, but I really do like that Micro VR a lot. I like the PF350 too...same exact sound but with 150 more watts. I still think the 7 Pro's the king of Ampeg micros but there is a lot to love about the PF amps.
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I agree, but what gets me are his comments that the Micro had more low end than the 7Pro. That makes it sound to me like there is something wrong with the 7Pro. Mine definitely has more lows (bigger and more full down low) than my PF-500. :confused:
 
#824
tombowlus said:
I agree, but what gets me are his comments that the Micro had more low end than the 7Pro. That makes it sound to me like there is something wrong with the 7Pro. Mine definitely has more lows (bigger and more full down low) than my PF-500. :confused:
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The PF-350 (voiced like the SVT-Micro) has more bottom end than the PF-500, which is voiced like the SVT-7 Pro.
 
#825
tekdiver500ft said:
The PF-350 (voiced like the SVT-Micro) has more bottom end than the PF-500, which is voiced like the SVT-7 Pro.
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Hmm... I'll have to compare my Micro-VR to the 7Pro, but previously when I compared the PF-350 to the PF-500, they sounded very similar, and my 7Pro absolutely has more low end than my PF-500.
 
#826
12bass said:
Earlier in the thread smeet mentioned arranging a get-together to compare his 7PRO with johnk_10's. Not sure what happened with that....
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Ha. What happened was that I decided to return the 7 Pro, so I ordered a ShuttleMax 9.2 and cancelled the comparison visit.

But then I played with the 7 Pro some more, learned more about how to eq it, the volume taper, gain structure, etc. I like it a lot more now, so now I don't know what to do... I don't trust the amp, but I like the sound. The SM9.2 should arrive tomorrow, and then I'll see what I think of the three (7 Pro, Streamliner, SM9.2). One of the three will get sold or returned.

I may give JohnK a call about doing a comparison, but I'm satisfied that the amp sounds the way it's supposed to. If I decide to keep the 7 Pro, I'll probably exchange it for another since I suspect reliability problems with this one, so I'll be able to sort of A/B that way.

One thing I'm puzzled by is that I generally associate the SVT sound with a bit of a heavy scooped sound (although I've never played the real thing). The 7 Pro is about as far as you can get from scooped. What's the deal? Does an SVT with all controls at noon really sound that midrangey?
 
#830
Had me 2 streamliners and traded one for the 7pro.
Gotta join the minority on this one.
Blues, SRV and a little Hendrix. Through self built Greenboy 1515/66. 4 string sb2 with well worn flats and 5 string Music man Ray or Bongo with Ernie Ball nickel strings. So far in this double blind study, (me and the drummer are pretty blind by the end of the gig), the Streamliner wins for best cut through in the mix, fat tubey tone, massive bottom etc etc. I use the B string sparingly except for manual convenience given the genre. Can play our whole set list with the flats strung 4 string and only let down a fellow bass player in the club with slap/pop talent on one song in the list. I don't agree thus far in the preliminary stages of this experiment, performed both at a few outdoor and indoor gigs that the Streamliner is hard to eq and the 7pro is great at noon.
This ain't no polite blues band either. Strong drummer and searing blues guitar. And keys sax and harp too.
Will keep trying with the 7 pro but it bothers me that it has a loud hum/buzz even when on mute?
For me, and YMMV and as Rod says it takes all kinds, the Streamliner is the easy plug and play, just back off the bass and treble a little and boost the mids at 600.
Of course with those 2 six inch midranges in a fEARful 1515/66 not much is missed in the mix.
 
#831
GRAHAM SG1 said:
I often wonder how much of this talk of bass amp EQ and differing tones from different amps etc etc is down to what we hear as individuals, I know my hearing is not that great because for some reason I cannot hear my wife very well when she talks at certain frequencies, this usually gets worse at higher volume and greater levels of gesticulation usually followed by door slamming ?? is this a fault in my amp :D
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Its a little long or I would figure how to sig that Graham!;)
 
#834
mntngrown said:
Its a little long or I would figure how to sig that Graham!;)
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I am pleased to have provided a small amount of inspiration :D

Regards the `Streamlion`er`:D, I have had a few band rehearsals with my 900 now and I have no trouble in the mix, my guitarist has turned into a nervous wreck and the drummer knows he cannot play louder than my amp, with my PF500 they could force me to almost run out of clean headroom but not now, this thing just blows them away if I want it to :bassist::) they say they will wear armour at the next session !!
The 900 has a solidity about it that fills every nook and cranny in the mix, the PF sounded really good but this thing is so smooth and full :)
 
#835
Interesting that fEARfuls were involved in two cases where people preferred the Streamliner over the SVT-7PRO. Perhaps what might be going on is that the inherently scooped mids of the Streamliner are being "equalized" by the forward upper midrange of the fEARfuls. Similarly, the more present midrange (and actually flatter response) of the 7PRO likely sounds relatively mid-heavy through the same cabinets.
 
#836
12bass said:
Interesting that fEARfuls were involved in two cases where people preferred the Streamliner over the SVT-7PRO. Perhaps what might be going on is that the inherently scooped mids of the Streamliner are being "equalized" by the forward upper midrange of the fEARfuls. Similarly, the more present midrange (and actually flatter response) of the 7PRO likely sounds relatively mid-heavy through the same cabinets.
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+1


Synery, synergy, synergy...
 
#837
tombowlus said:
I agree, but what gets me are his comments that the Micro had more low end than the 7Pro. That makes it sound to me like there is something wrong with the 7Pro. Mine definitely has more lows (bigger and more full down low) than my PF-500. :confused:
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3D analisys.jpg
This is what i found out after getting the maximum bass from the SVT7 and the Micro VR on the xlr out
This is all done with a low E with the bass full on both amps, and the sound eq'd as much as possible to let both amps sound the same.
And it confirmed what i suspected.
The Micro puts out more bass around 40/42Hz there are even some bumps around 23/30Hz
That's exactly what my soundman pointed out to me.
and that from a Fender P '63;) and a Micro Vr
The Pro 7 puts out also around 42Hz but clearly the 7 pro favours the first harmonic.
There is no possibility on the eq of the 7 pro to let the 42Hz range become louder than the first harmonics so the 7 will sound more midlow than the Micro.
And that is what i also hear on a cab.
So it is not that the 7 does not have the low end but the way it handles it is what i dont like.
And objectivly the Micro puts out more of it, and on a cab that sounds as more low end.
On the whole audible scale the 7 pro has more (louder) highs at least you can amplify them more because the highs are actually the same.
But when i put the pad of the tweeter louder of my cab it sounds the same with the Micro VR
I prefer the louder lows actually;)
I think the 7 pro is very popular with people who audition the amp in the shop and at home because then it is the smoother amp.
But the moment you are on stage and the band starts to play you loose all those "refinements" immediatly and have to eg like a madman.
The Micro VR is plug and play and on flat settings there is already a lot of low end (as explained above)
And at the end "as the pic. shows and my ears telling me" it is going deeper as well.
So the Micro is an amp too fall in love with for me and i think this one is going to be the collectors item in a year of 30 or so, and not the 7 pro.
 
#838
GRAHAM SG1 said:
I am pleased to have provided a small amount of inspiration :D

Regards the `Streamlion`er`:D, I have had a few band rehearsals with my 900 now and I have no trouble in the mix, my guitarist has turned into a nervous wreck and the drummer knows he cannot play louder than my amp, with my PF500 they could force me to almost run out of clean headroom but not now, this thing just blows them away if I want it to :bassist::) they say they will wear armour at the next session !!
The 900 has a solidity about it that fills every nook and cranny in the mix, the PF sounded really good but this thing is so smooth and full :)
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Not all cabs match as well, but based on my own experience, I think the STM900 is the perfect amp for your Barefaced Super Twelve T. Fat low end with good muscle behind it into a cab with strong drivers a little lean in the lows but with high Xmax and strong mids. Put them together and it just works. That's a nice little sledgehammer of a rig that puts out above its weight class.
:bassist::bassist::smug:
 
#840
I'm sure it is a great matchup, but I find this stuff about matching this cab to that amp and all that a little bit silly. Do we all leave our knobs locked at the noon position never to be touched? Will something bad and terrible happen if you move a knob?

Exactly. Get a bad sound out of either amp and I'm blaming you and not the amp ;)
 

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