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NAD! SVT7 Pro (also comparing it to my Streamliner 900)

#842
Thijs V said:
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This is what i found out after getting the maximum bass from the SVT7 and the Micro VR on the xlr out
This is all done with a low E with the bass full on both amps, and the sound eq'd as much as possible to let both amps sound the same.
And it confirmed what i suspected.
The Micro puts out more bass around 40/42Hz there are even some bumps around 23/30Hz
That's exactly what my soundman pointed out to me.
and that from a Fender P '63;) and a Micro Vr
The Pro 7 puts out also around 42Hz but clearly the 7 pro favours the first harmonic.
There is no possibility on the eq of the 7 pro to let the 42Hz range become louder than the first harmonics so the 7 will sound more midlow than the Micro.
And that is what i also hear on a cab.
So it is not that the 7 does not have the low end but the way it handles it is what i dont like.
And objectivly the Micro puts out more of it, and on a cab that sounds as more low end.
On the whole audible scale the 7 pro has more (louder) highs at least you can amplify them more because the highs are actually the same.
But when i put the pad of the tweeter louder of my cab it sounds the same with the Micro VR
I prefer the louder lows actually;)
I think the 7 pro is very popular with people who audition the amp in the shop and at home because then it is the smoother amp.
But the moment you are on stage and the band starts to play you loose all those "refinements" immediatly and have to eg like a madman.
The Micro VR is plug and play and on flat settings there is already a lot of low end (as explained above)
And at the end "as the pic. shows and my ears telling me" it is going deeper as well.
So the Micro is an amp too fall in love with for me and i think this one is going to be the collectors item in a year of 30 or so, and not the 7 pro.
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Well, I pretty much never run any of my amps with the bass cranked up all the way, so I hadn't encountered this exact scenario...
 
#843
tombowlus said:
Well, I pretty much never run any of my amps with the bass cranked up all the way, so I hadn't encountered this exact scenario...
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I do neither offcourse.
It is more too show what it looks like.
But soundwise it shows that the 7 puts midlow vs sublow out louder then the Micro.
And in real life that sounds to me as boomy.
And the eq works in a way that you can't filter out the low-mids only, they are controlled with the same bass-eq
And to be honest, i always hated too much lowmid, it only pushes my ears and not the belly ;)
 
#844
12bass said:
Interesting that fEARfuls were involved in two cases where people preferred the Streamliner over the SVT-7PRO. Perhaps what might be going on is that the inherently scooped mids of the Streamliner are being "equalized" by the forward upper midrange of the fEARfuls. Similarly, the more present midrange (and actually flatter response) of the 7PRO likely sounds relatively mid-heavy through the same cabinets.
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As I've said, I'm enjoying the 7 Pro through my fEARful now. But fEARfuls are quite flat response compared to most other bass cabs, which sound very low-mid-heavy in comparison. I feel I'm getting a very true representation through my cab. My Shuttlemax 9.2 showed up last night so I'll post some impressions soon. Since that amp is generally considered to have a pretty flat response it should be illuminating.
 
#845
5StringPocket said:
Not all cabs match as well, but based on my own experience, I think the STM900 is the perfect amp for your Barefaced Super Twelve T. Fat low end with good muscle behind it into a cab with strong drivers a little lean in the lows but with high Xmax and strong mids. Put them together and it just works. That's a nice little sledgehammer of a rig that puts out above its weight class.
:bassist::bassist::smug:
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I could not agree more if I tried :)
It took me 3 different amp/cab combinations to get there but it was worth the money spent doing so !!
To any other newbies I would recommend spending as much as you can on your first rig because I have lost quite a lot of dosh in selling stuff on to get my ultimate rig :crying: never mind, I had a lot of fun trying the other stuff (trying to be positive) :D

Do we all leave our knobs locked at the noon position never to be touched? Will something bad and terrible happen if you move a knob?
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Not quite sure how to answer this Jimmy ;):D
 
#846
smeet said:
As I've said, I'm enjoying the 7 Pro through my fEARful now. But fEARfuls are quite flat response compared to most other bass cabs, which sound very low-mid-heavy in comparison. I feel I'm getting a very true representation through my cab.
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Recently I built a 15/6/1 myself and have compared it with my monitor speakers and K702 headphones. IMO, while flatter than many, it is not flat, but a bit titled toward the upper midrange. Coincidentally, this is the area where many find the Streamliner lacking.

smeet said:
My Shuttlemax 9.2 showed up last night so I'll post some impressions soon. Since that amp is generally considered to have a pretty flat response it should be illuminating.
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Will be interesting to hear!
 
#848
I did a comparison of the ShuttleMax 9.2, Streamliner 900, and Ampeg 7 Pro in this post: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/genz-benz-shuttlemax-776305/index44.html#post12841568.

In a nutshell, while I haven't played the 9.2 out yet (tomorrow!), so far i LOVE it. Powerful and versatile. It can't quite duplicate the sound of the Ampeg, which has a subtle primitiveness to the sound, kind of dirty, aggressive, and articulate but with a very rounded high end. But it gets very close, and can do much more. I also like both the character of and control over the low end on the 9.2.

The Ampeg is packed up and will be going back to MF tomorrow.

Personally, I don't hear the fEARful as having more upper midrange (although if you've measured it, I believe you). I hear it as having less low mids and upper bass, and a more extended real bass. The 9.2 with all controls at noon sounded "flat" to me, as in not very in-your-face or edgy, which is what I would associate with the "gank" factor that KJung talks about.

Edit: I guess you asked specifically about the Streamliner. Basically it gets a MUCH more solid bottom, but can't get the midrange vocal quality that the Ampeg can. The 9.2 is much more versatile than either one, although it also can't perfectly copy either of the other two.
 
#851
FWIW, I think that many people perceive the fEARfuls as lean in the low-midrange/upper bass because they are used to cabinets which emphasize this area (due to higher box tuning), while the fEARfuls are actually relatively flat in this range and extend lower into the deep bass.
 
#852
12bass said:
FWIW, I think that many people perceive the fEARfuls as lean in the low-midrange/upper bass because they are used to cabinets which emphasize this area (due to higher box tuning), while the fEARfuls are actually relatively flat in this range and extend lower into the deep bass.
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No big bumps in the low mids...personally I enjoy the even response down there...I like being able to tell the cab what to sound like, instead of the other way around :)
 
#853

the guitar players string broke on the Gibson and the substitute Fender had feedback ground issues
But in this tin can roadhouse I think the Streamliner breadth is the best. Someone could say I just can't figure out how to eq the 7pro yet and they might be right. But I find the SL more of a plug and play fat and articulate head with the fEARful and in this case Stingray 5 and a home video cam recording. Just thought Id post w/o any scientific but to me mirrors my on the ground experience
 
#854
Further on up the road is the 7pro, and although my favorite set list song, the 7pro does not hold the cut in the mix like the streamliner does on rock me baby. I know it's w/o scientific merit but it's just boots on the ground IMHO stuff.
 
#855
mntngrown said:
Further on up the road is the 7pro, and although my favorite set list song, the 7pro does not hold the cut in the mix like the streamliner does on rock me baby. I know it's w/o scientific merit but it's just boots on the ground IMHO stuff.
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Different strokes. I think the 7 Pro sounds and cuts way better than the Streamliner. The notes, to me, have some weight behind them.
 
#857
bummed I was sick that day...
From the clips the stage volume isn't equal- SL is louder and may contribute to the cutting through on your video. Or the SL projects that much better which would be in opposition to everything I encountered with it compared to the 7.
Message me the next time you're gigging local, or email me at [email protected]
 
#860
let's hook up on your next gig- you can run both- I'll sit back and drink beer and take it all in! Because I owned and gigged the SL a lot and now own and gig the 7 it would be super fun to hear how they sound from the FOH, especially through that cab you have ;)
 

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